Trump bend to the will of the Turks

Axxowiz · 2019-11-25T06:32:51.229Z

I am no fan of Erdogan or Turkey but what will condemning Turkey for something that happened 100 years ago do? None of the people that was involved in the Armenian genocide is alive today to condemn. Best just retake Constantinople that would be the real condemnation, and while there at kick them off of the illegal occupation of Cyprus.

JayJay · 2019-11-25T12:09:07.089Z

Safiel:

Well, I can see not slapping the guy across the face while he is in town.

We have delayed recognizing the Armenian genocide for years. A couple of more days really doesn’t matter at this point.

I get that. But then a few days later after he had left Trump got another senator to object when this was brought up again.

I also get that Trump is trying to get Turkey to give up their Russian S-400 air defense system…trying to decide if this is a worthy enough goal for Trump to go realpolitik (I shouldn’t say “go realpolitik”. As much as Trump is anything, he is realpolitk which is why I actually don’t often criticize his fp unless I think it’s counter to the interests of the US. There’s realpolitk and then there’s just plain retreat).

Trump is doing the same thing with respect to Hong Kong…holding off criticizing China because he wants that trade deal. That I think is a huge mistake…one he may no longer be able to keep doing though.

Smyrna · 2019-11-25T12:18:14.789Z

“That would’ve been poor timing. I’m trying to salvage the relationship [between the U.S. and Turkey] if possible,” Graham continued.

…and then comes the voice of reason.

JayJay · 2019-11-25T12:21:49.561Z

Smyrna:

“That would’ve been poor timing. I’m trying to salvage the relationship [between the U.S. and Turkey] if possible,” Graham continued.

…and then comes the voice of reason.

Except as pointed out, after Erdogan had left, a few days later the resolution came up again…and Trump got Senator Perdue to object.

Again- there is the matter of negotiations with Turkey for them to drop the Russian S-400 system. I’m reading up on that to see what I can find.

So I’m willing to give Trump the benefit of the doubt on this one…just wanted to make it clear this wasn’t being blocked just because Erdogan was in town.

It is being systematically blocked.

Smyrna · 2019-11-25T12:25:56.427Z

What is to be gained in this condemnation of an act that took place over 100 years ago and if…it’s so important to do so, why hasn’t it already been done under previous administrations? Why now?

JayJay · 2019-11-25T12:29:20.627Z

Smyrna:

What is to be gained in this condemnation of an act that took place over 100 years ago and if…it’s so important to do so, why hasn’t it already been done under previous administrations? Why now?

Did you actually read what I wrote?

Smyrna · 2019-11-25T12:31:55.767Z

JayJay:

Did you actually read what I wrote?

Yep…which is what motivated my question? You’re attempting to answer why Trump wants to shut it down. I’m asking, why is it coming up anyway and why now? There has been over 100 years for Congress and the Senate to condemn this so…why now?

JayJay · 2019-11-25T12:39:23.887Z

Smyrna:

JayJay:

Did you actually read what I wrote?

Yep…which is what motivated my question? You’re attempting to answer why Trump wants to shut it down. I’m asking, why is it coming up anyway and why now? There has been over 100 years for Congress and the Senate to condemn this so…why now?

I’m not attempting to answer why he’s shutting it down. I KNOW why he is…and I’m kind of in agreement pending further review over what’s being negotiated.

All I was doing was calling out that he didn’t have Lindsay block it solely because Erdogan was in town.

He’s systematically blocking it.

CanadianJudo · 2019-11-25T16:05:29.867Z

You do know that for over 100 years Turkey has refused to admit they committed Genocide right?

how would you react if leader of Germany publicly said the holocaust didn’t happen.

CanadianJudo · 2019-11-25T16:07:05.182Z

Because condemn act of genocide is good, would you be this upset if Congress said the holocaust was bad.

It should also be noted that Turkey still refused to admit they committed genocide.

nytimes.com – 16 Apr 15

A Century After Armenian Genocide, Turkey’s Denial Only Deepens (Published 2015)

Nearly 1.5 million Armenians died at the hands of the Ottoman Empire in 1915, during World War I. Turks by and large do not believe mass killings were planned.

CanadianJudo · 2019-11-25T16:08:29.902Z

I personal find it dishearten that people can’t publicly say “Turkey you committed genocide” because it might upset someone.

Genocide is bad, Turkey should be condemned for it till the end of time, does that mean we can’t move on on and still have future relations, no I don’t see Germany complaining when people talk about the horrors of WWII.

I don’t see the German government suggesting the holocaust didn’t happen, which is what Turkey is doing.

sikofit · 2019-11-25T16:11:27.695Z

CanadianJudo:

personal find it dishearten that people can’t publicly say “Turkey you committed genocide” because it might upset someone

You’re forgetting that these are some of the same people who makes excuses for white supremacists

CanadianJudo · 2019-11-25T16:12:50.222Z

What would Republican response be if Germany still denied they committed the holocaust? because that is what Turkey is doing to this very day.

JayJay · 2019-11-25T16:14:26.705Z

CanadianJudo:

I personal find it dishearten that people can’t publicly say “Turkey you committed genocide” because it might upset someone.

Genocide is bad, Turkey should be condemned for it till the end of time, does that mean we can’t move on on and still have future relations, no I don’t see Germany complaining when people talk about the horrors of WWII.

I don’t see the German government suggesting the holocaust didn’t happen, which is what Turkey is doing.

Yes I know you can’t see why we shouldn’t…but fact is we do…all the time.

That’s realpokitik.

CanadianJudo · 2019-11-25T16:17:31.839Z

the fact we allow our governments to refuse to hold our allies accountable for genocide because its good for “Business” makes me wish global warming would happen sooner so we could all die off.

the fact we can allow Turkey to openly deny this genocide took place that they killed 1.5 million people because of their ethnicity is ■■■■■■■ disgusting.

like I said Germany doesn’t whine every time someone talk about the holocaust.

WuWei · 2019-11-25T16:35:28.697Z

CanadianJudo:

What would Republican response be if Germany still denied they committed the holocaust? because that is what Turkey is doing to this very day.

Republicans = Hitler.

Well done. 5 libbish points.

WuWei · 2019-11-25T16:36:26.989Z

Maybe we could hold them down a wet willy them until they admit it.

Nipple twisters would probably work faster.

Plasmaball · 2019-11-25T16:37:50.178Z

No…Turkey equal Hitler…

WuWei · 2019-11-25T16:39:29.751Z

You can’t spell “Hitler”?

Minus 5 libbish points.

Plasmaball · 2019-11-25T16:40:06.079Z

Fixed. But let’s focus on that and not you being wrong.