Trump admin will issue a Rescission request of $15,000,000,000 to congress on Tuesday

Rurudyne · 2018-05-08T14:26:34.728Z

It’s a consistency to be consistently opposed.

lulubee · 2018-05-08T14:33:25.147Z

Rurudyne:

It’s a consistency to be consistently opposed.

Except Republicans are not. They love to spend when they are in charge. See Bush the Second and Trump.

Rurudyne · 2018-05-08T14:35:48.453Z

I believe I stated as much in that earlier post.

Me, I’d be an axe weilding maniac if it was up to me. A POTUS takes an oath of office to uphold the Constitution … not the accumulated abuses and lawlessness since FDR slimed his way across the national stage.

lulubee · 2018-05-08T14:40:05.049Z

Rurudyne:

I believe I stated as much in that earlier post.

Me, I’d be an axe weilding maniac if it was up to me. A POTUS takes an oath of office to uphold the Constitution … not the accumulated abuses and lawlessness since FDR slimed his way across the national stage.

But you called D’s spendthrifts. That is not correct. We spend because we believe in government programs and that they are good for society.

MidwestIndy · 2018-05-08T14:41:04.075Z

Rurudyne:

Trump is still much better than Clinton, ignoring her progressivism she’s a woman who was already well versed in the art of pay for play and had the network to hit the ground running in to enrich herself and sell us all out.

You mean like having the government pay one or more of the properties you own in order to rent space for you to stay there?

He might as well have walked right into the Fed and said print me some money and put it in this duffel bag.

Rurudyne · 2018-05-08T15:05:39.140Z

What is believed is this:

Good times are the opportunity for spending

Bad times demand spending

I call it bring a Keystone Keynesian … not a real Keynesian but a spendthrift loon version.

Thinking you’re doing good is only a pretext, an excuse. It’s still being spendthrift. Any no one is more spendthrift than the loons at the DNC.

Rurudyne · 2018-05-08T15:06:43.145Z

Darn typos!

I hate not being able to edit!

lulubee · 2018-05-08T15:08:54.538Z

Rurudyne:

What is believed is this:

Good times are the opportunity for spending

Bad times demand spending

I call it bring a Keystone Keynesian … not a real Keynesian but a spendthrift loon version.

Thinking you’re doing good is only a pretext, an excuse. It’s still being spendthrift. Any no one is more spendthrift than the loons at the DNC.

That is your opinion. My opinion differs.

bluedogdem · 2018-05-08T15:10:06.994Z

you silly Libs… deficits dont matter under a Republican president

Rurudyne · 2018-05-08T15:23:47.314Z

No, I’m speaking about my suspicions that arise because though she was the presumptive winner, it’s simply the truth that her health was and is not good, that she could not count on completing her term of office to give her time to cement the overall Clinton legacy of greatness. ***

Speculation about what deals she may have had in the works, and what she’d indicated she’d be willing to give away along with the money to their foundation to get it … I’m glad we’ll never know. The ChiComs have a long history with the Clintons so maybe it would involve then in a token victory the media could crow about and lavish praise over forever (or at least till Christ returns) would have come with their involvement?

As for Kaine: he’s young, reasonably charismatic, unburdened with scandal and DNC swamp through and through. He’s also NOT Bernie. I think he was the DNC’s long term plan, finishing out her term and two more. I still think he’s who will be running in 2020.

*** the legacy that Clintonistas been chattering about since not long after he was first elected, and which is so tawdry that after 9/11 one of their number actually lamented on a talking head show that the timing of the attacks denied Bill Clinton an opportunity to show his greatness.

MoleUK · 2018-06-20T23:44:28.850Z

Trump failed to get the cuts passed.

MoleUK · 2018-06-20T23:45:09.402Z

CNN – 20 Jun 18

Senate rejects spending cuts package, a White House priority | CNN Politics

The Senate rejected a key White House priority Wednesday when it defeated a bill to claw back about $15 billion in previously appropriated government funding.

biggestal99 · 2018-06-21T10:21:39.389Z

And that’s that, another trump initiative that goes over like a lead ballon.

Allan

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2018-06-21T11:52:46.536Z

anyone keeping track of the national debt threads started by Trump Republicans since the election?

i keep saying this but i’m a thousand times more fiscally conservative than almost all Trump Republicans on this board.

PAmoderate37 · 2018-06-21T12:02:19.694Z

To be fair this really has nothing to do with Trump. the vast majority of Republicans have always been about tax cuts regardless of whether or not they could get spending cuts to go along with them.

calirepub · 2018-06-21T12:12:07.114Z

I was going to make a joke about attending the next local Tea Party rally. Instead, i decided to google to see if there actually were Tea Party groups in my area. Nope.

Instead, i found what this particular Tea Party (tea party patriots) group’s priorities were lately. It’s nice that they even label their talking points for easy reference.

TALKING POINTS

The American people want a secure border and an “America first” immigration policy, and we want our nation’s immigration laws respected.
Congress must say NO to amnesty for illegal immigrants.
The Rule of Law is too important to ignore. Amnesty proposals undermine the Rule of Law in this country.
Americans want to see stronger assurances that our nation is prioritizing border security — not amnesty.
For too long, Americans have been promised a border wall, but we have made concessions along the way, including past amnesties, without ever getting the wall completed. It is time for us to get serious about securing the border.

Jezcoe · 2018-06-21T12:12:25.304Z

Gaius:

NebraskaFootball:

Gaius:

A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.

Alexander Fraser Tytler
Wise man whoever he was.

He also stated…

From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.”

“The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From Bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.”

Was he prescient? Because we certainly seem to be following a similar path as well.

Friedrich Hayek a Nobel Prize Austrian) economist wrote a well known short book called The Road to Serfdom saying many of the same things.

It’s really more a work of social philosophy or political science than econ. In it he looks at the various reasons, poverty-related and-wealth related that economies tend to start centralizing.

It’s been probably two decades since I’ve read it, but basically he states it begins in a mundane, proper fashion with such things as public works, a social safety net and regulating externalities and economic necessity brought on by wars. IIRC he theorized (finally commiting his thoughts to paper in 1944), that IF once that happens a certain mindset is adopted by even a large minority of the population, a slow but terrible snowball effect can be unleashed in which there is more and more central control of the economy until eventually whichever large minority has the most political pull can and does use the central planning function to empower itself over others and ultimately becomes lords and ladies over the rest of society which ultimately becomes much like tge serfs and peasants of old.

In fact, it follows from his argument that THAT is how the English nobility was founded,
IS the reason communist states start out fighting for the workers but in the end only serve the interests of party cadres and functionaries etc. etc…

Not surprisingly he was an Austrian economist.

Hayek also undestood that a guaranteed wage was inevitable and necessary as automation took the place of workers.

Some form of a guaranteed wage has been talked about since before the founding of this country.

Jezcoe · 2018-06-21T12:15:15.874Z

NebraskaFootball:

Gaius:

A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.

Alexander Fraser Tytler
Wise man whoever he was.

He also stated…

From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.”

“The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From Bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.”

Was he prescient? Because we certainly seem to be following a similar path as well.

What I see happening now is a systematic selling of the commons to private interests under the argument that people getting “free goodies” is screwing them.

So the benefits of the economy, tax policy and spending is overwhelmingly benefiting the top and leaving the bottom behind.

Rurudyne · 2018-06-21T14:11:45.423Z

Some years ago Congress found a hundred million dollars that they’d misplaced.

Now, that seem like a fortune to you or I but to Congress, and we must be fair that this is about the only true bipartisan anything, it represented what they could proverbially piss off on a slow Sunday morning before breakfast. Almost like you or I going out for breakfast tacos money.

Yet despite that they were practically salavating over how to spend the windfall.

What we need is a bonus / fine rule for congressional pay: if they run a surplus (no accounting trick allowed) then they get a bonus BUT if they run a deficit outside of wartime then they are aggressively, progressively fined up to the value for all forms of congressional compensation, including imputed rent paid on their otherwise free offices or health care and charged against their future congressional retirement packages.

TommyLucchese · 2018-06-21T14:41:01.273Z

Gaius:

Friedrich Hayek a Nobel Prize Austrian) economist wrote a well known short book called The Road to Serfdom saying many of the same things.

The problem with the Road to Serfdom is that’s the central contention of the book-that Britain would become a Nazi like fascist state-was dead wrong.