Transgender Sex Reassignment Surgery, now more accessible in Wisconsin

AngraMainyu · 2019-09-25T17:13:36.488Z

Your views don’t offend me. They have no basis in science. You have vestigial beliefs, not facts. Illogical feelings, not rationality. A religion, not science.

SixFoot · 2019-09-25T17:15:03.472Z

AngraMainyu:

Your views don’t offend me. … You have vestigial beliefs, not facts. Illogical feelings, not rationality. A religion, not science.

If you say so. You’re just repeating yourself right now.

AngraMainyu · 2019-09-25T17:17:37.276Z

There’s only so many different ways I can say you’re wrong and have nothing to back up your claims.

SixFoot · 2019-09-25T17:19:45.724Z

The compulsion is unnecessary, but it’s your decision. You’re making a conscious choice to have this battle, simply because my thoughts do not match yours.

thinkingman · 2019-09-25T17:24:39.517Z

AngraMainyu:

There are plenty of studies that quantify depression among transgender people. The topic was SRS, because that is a treatment specifically given to alleviate gender dysphoria. But if we want to include other things like depression and various comorbid conditions, there is a plethora of research out there dissecting that topic, such as comparisons between suicide attempts - income level - homelessness - HIV status - family relations - race - etc.
Feel free to look them up.

i did. you dismissed it:

“Compared to the general population, adults who have undergone sex-reassignment surgery continue to have a higher risk of experiencing poor mental health outcomes. One study found that, compared to controls, sex-reassigned individuals were about 5 times more likely to attempt suicide and about 19 times more likely to die by suicide.”

AngraMainyu · 2019-09-25T17:25:12.936Z

This isn’t about you, it’s about the lurkers reading this thread that may harbor ideas like yours, but they may be more receptive to critical thinking.

SixFoot · 2019-09-25T17:25:55.888Z

A delusional crusade in my opinion, but if this improves your day’s situation, I’m happy to assist.

LucyLou · 2019-09-25T17:31:17.007Z

thinkingman:

AngraMainyu:

There are plenty of studies that quantify depression among transgender people. The topic was SRS, because that is a treatment specifically given to alleviate gender dysphoria. But if we want to include other things like depression and various comorbid conditions, there is a plethora of research out there dissecting that topic, such as comparisons between suicide attempts - income level - homelessness - HIV status - family relations - race - etc.
Feel free to look them up.

i did. you dismissed it:

“Compared to the general population, adults who have undergone sex-reassignment surgery continue to have a higher risk of experiencing poor mental health outcomes. One study found that, compared to controls, sex-reassigned individuals were about 5 times more likely to attempt suicide and about 19 times more likely to die by suicide.”

I’ve already posted that the study that McHugh uses to come up with that sentence, actually comes to the opposite conclusion. The author of that study has repeatedly asked him to stop misrepresenting her work.

And that people know McHugh is smart enough to know what he is doing. Therefore it’s obvious he is playing to his “marks”.

AngraMainyu · 2019-09-25T17:31:24.881Z

thinkingman:

AngraMainyu:

There are plenty of studies that quantify depression among transgender people. The topic was SRS, because that is a treatment specifically given to alleviate gender dysphoria. But if we want to include other things like depression and various comorbid conditions, there is a plethora of research out there dissecting that topic, such as comparisons between suicide attempts - income level - homelessness - HIV status - family relations - race - etc.
Feel free to look them up.

i did. you dismissed it:

“Compared to the general population, adults who have undergone sex-reassignment surgery continue to have a higher risk of experiencing poor mental health outcomes. One study found that, compared to controls, sex-reassigned individuals were about 5 times more likely to attempt suicide and about 19 times more likely to die by suicide.”

I didn’t dismiss it. You seem to be of the opinion that SRS is meant to treat every single ailment a trans person may have. It isn’t. It’s meant to address gender dysphoria, an entirely separate phenomenon than depression or being transgender.

Bigjohn · 2019-09-25T17:32:32.425Z

Isn’t this a good thing?

AngraMainyu · 2019-09-25T17:33:10.849Z

Delusional? Interesting choice of words. Definitely along the lines of thinking that certain segments of the population feel entitled to treat rationality as an identity rather than a process.
There’s nothing delusional about educating misinformed people with peer reviewed studies.

Hexenbiest · 2019-09-25T17:39:20.116Z

I am not saying it is a mental disorder, but it was classified as one up until May 29th of this year by the World’s Health Organization. And I was with you guys completely until they started letting men and woman compete in competitive sports, especially combat sports against each other and some talking (At least for now) on transitioning underage people with hormones.

SixFoot · 2019-09-25T17:40:39.645Z

AngraMainyu:

Delusional? Interesting choice of words

Not really. It would be delusional of me or anyone else to believe they’re affecting any modicum of change in non-membership viewers’ opinions. Makes sense in a role-playing game, just not in reality.

If you’re looking to sway opinions, you would be better suited speaking to people you actually know and actually interact with. That’s where the real spreading of the message happens, not this video game you’re currently playing. lol

AngraMainyu · 2019-09-25T17:48:14.426Z

The sports issue is contentious, in my opinion. I haven’t read nearly enough about the comparisons of muscle mass between cis and trans women to be able to provide an informed opinion.
As for underage people with hormones; if they’re a teenager, I don’t see an issue with it.

AngraMainyu · 2019-09-25T17:50:29.955Z

Trust me, I do.

Hexenbiest · 2019-09-25T17:54:53.378Z

AngraMainyu:

contentious

I see and issue with it until they are an adult, I think you guys are losing supporters on this issue. The athlete thing is just silly it’s not just muscle mass, it’s bone density, larger hands there is some basic biology there that gives men and advantage over women in certain sports which is why transgender athletes are breaking records in women sports as well as fracturing skulls in the MMA. Some basic things are taboo for a reason, like men should never hit a girl.

It would have been easier to just have a trans-league. I would have been in favor of that.

thinkingman · 2019-09-25T18:03:37.361Z

AngraMainyu:

thinkingman:

AngraMainyu:

There are plenty of studies that quantify depression among transgender people. The topic was SRS, because that is a treatment specifically given to alleviate gender dysphoria. But if we want to include other things like depression and various comorbid conditions, there is a plethora of research out there dissecting that topic, such as comparisons between suicide attempts - income level - homelessness - HIV status - family relations - race - etc.
Feel free to look them up.

i did. you dismissed it:

“Compared to the general population, adults who have undergone sex-reassignment surgery continue to have a higher risk of experiencing poor mental health outcomes. One study found that, compared to controls, sex-reassigned individuals were about 5 times more likely to attempt suicide and about 19 times more likely to die by suicide.”

I didn’t dismiss it. You seem to be of the opinion that SRS is meant to treat every single ailment a trans person may have. It isn’t. It’s meant to address gender dysphoria, an entirely separate phenomenon than depression or being transgender.

you mean, “gender identity disorder”

what the dsm used to call it until they got political

bottom line is, these surgeries do not change sex. jenner is still a man. and the mental load that comes with that is not helped by pretending surgery changed it

AngraMainyu · 2019-09-25T18:05:36.113Z

Hexenbiest:

AngraMainyu:

contentious

I see and issue with it until they are an adult, I think you guys are losing supporters on this issue. The athlete thing is just silly it’s not just muscle mass, it’s bone density, larger hands there is some basic biology there that gives men and advantage over women in certain sports which is why transgender athletes are breaking records in women sports as well as fracturing skulls in the MMA. Some basic things are taboo for a reason, like men should never hit a girl.

It would have been easier to just have a trans-league. I would have been in favor of that.

I hear you; bones are constantly undergoing remodeling due to osteocyte activity. I don’t imagine the density would be the same [but it may still be higher] after consistent HRT. I do agree with hand size and other anatomical ratios.
I also agree that there are much better hills to die on and my side is experiencing setbacks due to the publicity.

AngraMainyu · 2019-09-25T18:07:48.182Z

The publishers of the DSM stated specific reasons as to why it’s no longer considered a disorder. They didn’t list politics. Feel free to research it, or at least support your claims.

thinkingman · 2019-09-25T18:42:27.742Z

AngraMainyu:

The publishers of the DSM stated specific reasons as to why it’s no longer considered a disorder. They didn’t list politics. Feel free to research it, or at least support your claims.

they didnt want it to sound so mean. thats politics