Transgender Sex Reassignment Surgery, now more accessible in Wisconsin

thinkingman · 2019-09-25T17:07:33.655Z

AngraMainyu:

You were provided studies that demonstrate benefits of the procedure. Another poster offered a rebuttal to your flagship doctor’s work. If you can’t admit you’re wrong, just accept that your views are simply feelings as they lack any scientific basis.

oh - i thought you accepted my “surrender”. must have just been more rhetorical flack

i didnt say there were no “benefits” to the surgeries. stick to the argument

there is evidence that the surgeries do not help with post surgery suicide, suicidal thoughts of depression.

did ANY of your precious studies show that surgeries address the underlying mental issues present with people thinking the answer lies in rearranging their genitals?

experts say no. prove them wrong. bruce jenner is not proof

SixFoot · 2019-09-25T17:08:00.500Z

AngraMainyu:

Being transgender is not a mental illness

It definitely is. I’m not sorry if that offends you. I’m only sorry that people enable destructive behavior like that.

AngraMainyu · 2019-09-25T17:11:15.609Z

There are plenty of studies that quantify depression among transgender people. The topic was SRS, because that is a treatment specifically given to alleviate gender dysphoria. But if we want to include other things like depression and various comorbid conditions, there is a plethora of research out there dissecting that topic, such as comparisons between suicide attempts - income level - homelessness - HIV status - family relations - race - etc.
Feel free to look them up.

SixFoot · 2019-09-25T17:11:37.706Z

thinkingman:

the answer lies in rearranging their genitals

The answer lies within, just not in a physical sense. Introspection is the key.

Living life thinking, “If I just do this, then everything will be OK!” is a good way to end up in a suicidal thought loop, wrecked with regret.

AngraMainyu · 2019-09-25T17:13:36.488Z

Your views don’t offend me. They have no basis in science. You have vestigial beliefs, not facts. Illogical feelings, not rationality. A religion, not science.

SixFoot · 2019-09-25T17:15:03.472Z

AngraMainyu:

Your views don’t offend me. … You have vestigial beliefs, not facts. Illogical feelings, not rationality. A religion, not science.

If you say so. You’re just repeating yourself right now.

AngraMainyu · 2019-09-25T17:17:37.276Z

There’s only so many different ways I can say you’re wrong and have nothing to back up your claims.

SixFoot · 2019-09-25T17:19:45.724Z

The compulsion is unnecessary, but it’s your decision. You’re making a conscious choice to have this battle, simply because my thoughts do not match yours.

thinkingman · 2019-09-25T17:24:39.517Z

AngraMainyu:

There are plenty of studies that quantify depression among transgender people. The topic was SRS, because that is a treatment specifically given to alleviate gender dysphoria. But if we want to include other things like depression and various comorbid conditions, there is a plethora of research out there dissecting that topic, such as comparisons between suicide attempts - income level - homelessness - HIV status - family relations - race - etc.
Feel free to look them up.

i did. you dismissed it:

“Compared to the general population, adults who have undergone sex-reassignment surgery continue to have a higher risk of experiencing poor mental health outcomes. One study found that, compared to controls, sex-reassigned individuals were about 5 times more likely to attempt suicide and about 19 times more likely to die by suicide.”

AngraMainyu · 2019-09-25T17:25:12.936Z

This isn’t about you, it’s about the lurkers reading this thread that may harbor ideas like yours, but they may be more receptive to critical thinking.

SixFoot · 2019-09-25T17:25:55.888Z

A delusional crusade in my opinion, but if this improves your day’s situation, I’m happy to assist.

LucyLou · 2019-09-25T17:31:17.007Z

thinkingman:

AngraMainyu:

There are plenty of studies that quantify depression among transgender people. The topic was SRS, because that is a treatment specifically given to alleviate gender dysphoria. But if we want to include other things like depression and various comorbid conditions, there is a plethora of research out there dissecting that topic, such as comparisons between suicide attempts - income level - homelessness - HIV status - family relations - race - etc.
Feel free to look them up.

i did. you dismissed it:

“Compared to the general population, adults who have undergone sex-reassignment surgery continue to have a higher risk of experiencing poor mental health outcomes. One study found that, compared to controls, sex-reassigned individuals were about 5 times more likely to attempt suicide and about 19 times more likely to die by suicide.”

I’ve already posted that the study that McHugh uses to come up with that sentence, actually comes to the opposite conclusion. The author of that study has repeatedly asked him to stop misrepresenting her work.

And that people know McHugh is smart enough to know what he is doing. Therefore it’s obvious he is playing to his “marks”.

AngraMainyu · 2019-09-25T17:31:24.881Z

thinkingman:

AngraMainyu:

There are plenty of studies that quantify depression among transgender people. The topic was SRS, because that is a treatment specifically given to alleviate gender dysphoria. But if we want to include other things like depression and various comorbid conditions, there is a plethora of research out there dissecting that topic, such as comparisons between suicide attempts - income level - homelessness - HIV status - family relations - race - etc.
Feel free to look them up.

i did. you dismissed it:

“Compared to the general population, adults who have undergone sex-reassignment surgery continue to have a higher risk of experiencing poor mental health outcomes. One study found that, compared to controls, sex-reassigned individuals were about 5 times more likely to attempt suicide and about 19 times more likely to die by suicide.”

I didn’t dismiss it. You seem to be of the opinion that SRS is meant to treat every single ailment a trans person may have. It isn’t. It’s meant to address gender dysphoria, an entirely separate phenomenon than depression or being transgender.

Bigjohn · 2019-09-25T17:32:32.425Z

Isn’t this a good thing?

AngraMainyu · 2019-09-25T17:33:10.849Z

Delusional? Interesting choice of words. Definitely along the lines of thinking that certain segments of the population feel entitled to treat rationality as an identity rather than a process.
There’s nothing delusional about educating misinformed people with peer reviewed studies.

Hexenbiest · 2019-09-25T17:39:20.116Z

I am not saying it is a mental disorder, but it was classified as one up until May 29th of this year by the World’s Health Organization. And I was with you guys completely until they started letting men and woman compete in competitive sports, especially combat sports against each other and some talking (At least for now) on transitioning underage people with hormones.

SixFoot · 2019-09-25T17:40:39.645Z

AngraMainyu:

Delusional? Interesting choice of words

Not really. It would be delusional of me or anyone else to believe they’re affecting any modicum of change in non-membership viewers’ opinions. Makes sense in a role-playing game, just not in reality.

If you’re looking to sway opinions, you would be better suited speaking to people you actually know and actually interact with. That’s where the real spreading of the message happens, not this video game you’re currently playing. lol

AngraMainyu · 2019-09-25T17:48:14.426Z

The sports issue is contentious, in my opinion. I haven’t read nearly enough about the comparisons of muscle mass between cis and trans women to be able to provide an informed opinion.
As for underage people with hormones; if they’re a teenager, I don’t see an issue with it.

AngraMainyu · 2019-09-25T17:50:29.955Z

Trust me, I do.

Hexenbiest · 2019-09-25T17:54:53.378Z

AngraMainyu:

contentious

I see and issue with it until they are an adult, I think you guys are losing supporters on this issue. The athlete thing is just silly it’s not just muscle mass, it’s bone density, larger hands there is some basic biology there that gives men and advantage over women in certain sports which is why transgender athletes are breaking records in women sports as well as fracturing skulls in the MMA. Some basic things are taboo for a reason, like men should never hit a girl.

It would have been easier to just have a trans-league. I would have been in favor of that.