!Transgender Rights!

[zantax]

@fallenturtle

@zantax

That’s a tough argument to make alongside a claim men can be female gender, can you not spot the contradiction?

What’s the contradiction?

If gender expression is innate, which sex is feminine gender expression innate in?

[fallenturtle]

@zantax

@fallenturtle

@zantax

That’s a tough argument to make alongside a claim men can be female gender, can you not spot the contradiction?

What’s the contradiction?

If gender expression is innate, which sex is feminine gender expression innate in?

Gender expression is not innate. Gender identity seems to be innate. Gender expression and gender roles are social constructs.

[zantax]

@fallenturtle

@zantax

@fallenturtle

@zantax

That’s a tough argument to make alongside a claim men can be female gender, can you not spot the contradiction?

What’s the contradiction?

If gender expression is innate, which sex is feminine gender expression innate in?

Gender expression is not innate. Gender identity seems to be innate. Gender expression and gender roles are social constructs.

So you have now lost womens innate desire to wear a dress over mens desire to.

[zantax]

Just glad this wasn’t going on when I was a kid. My sisters got to clean the house while I worked in the yard or fields, might have became a woman just to get out of all that hot work.

[fallenturtle]

@zantax

@fallenturtle

@zantax

@fallenturtle

@zantax

That’s a tough argument to make alongside a claim men can be female gender, can you not spot the contradiction?

What’s the contradiction?

If gender expression is innate, which sex is feminine gender expression innate in?

Gender expression is not innate. Gender identity seems to be innate. Gender expression and gender roles are social constructs.

So you have now lost women’s innate desire to wear a dress over men’s desire to.

I never said they did. If you think I did, let me know where and I’ll edit the post to be more clear.

[zantax]

@fallenturtle

@zantax

@fallenturtle

@zantax

@fallenturtle

@zantax

That’s a tough argument to make alongside a claim men can be female gender, can you not spot the contradiction?

What’s the contradiction?

If gender expression is innate, which sex is feminine gender expression innate in?

Gender expression is not innate. Gender identity seems to be innate. Gender expression and gender roles are social constructs.

So you have now lost women’s innate desire to wear a dress over men’s desire to.

I never said they did. If you think I did, let me know where and I’ll edit the post to be more clear.

You said if there were no social pressure women would still continue to primarily be the ones who wear dresses, which certainly suggests they have a stronger innate desire to do so than men.

[fallenturtle]

@zantax

@fallenturtle

@zantax

@fallenturtle

@zantax

@fallenturtle

@zantax

That’s a tough argument to make alongside a claim men can be female gender, can you not spot the contradiction?

What’s the contradiction?

If gender expression is innate, which sex is feminine gender expression innate in?

Gender expression is not innate. Gender identity seems to be innate. Gender expression and gender roles are social constructs.

So you have now lost women’s innate desire to wear a dress over men’s desire to.

I never said they did. If you think I did, let me know where and I’ll edit the post to be more clear.

You said if there were no social pressure women would still continue to primarily be the ones who wear dresses, which certainly suggests they have a stronger innate desire to do so than men.

Because there would still be a cultural association. Most men can have long hair and aren’t criticized for doing so and most women can have short hair and not be criticized for doing so, yet on average more women have long hair then men and thus long hair is still associated with femininity.

[zantax]

@fallenturtle

@zantax

@fallenturtle

@zantax

@fallenturtle

@zantax

@fallenturtle

@zantax

That’s a tough argument to make alongside a claim men can be female gender, can you not spot the contradiction?

What’s the contradiction?

If gender expression is innate, which sex is feminine gender expression innate in?

Gender expression is not innate. Gender identity seems to be innate. Gender expression and gender roles are social constructs.

So you have now lost women’s innate desire to wear a dress over men’s desire to.

I never said they did. If you think I did, let me know where and I’ll edit the post to be more clear.

You said if there were no social pressure women would still continue to primarily be the ones who wear dresses, which certainly suggests they have a stronger innate desire to do so than men.

Because there would still be a cultural association. Most men can have long hair and aren’t criticized for doing so and most women can have short hair and not be criticized for doing so, yet on average more women have long hair then men and thus long hair is still associated with femininity.

No it isn’t just associated with femininity. nobody today assumes a man is female just because he has long hair.

[fallenturtle]

@zantax

@fallenturtle

@zantax

@fallenturtle

@zantax

@fallenturtle

@zantax

@fallenturtle

@zantax

That’s a tough argument to make alongside a claim men can be female gender, can you not spot the contradiction?

What’s the contradiction?

If gender expression is innate, which sex is feminine gender expression innate in?

Gender expression is not innate. Gender identity seems to be innate. Gender expression and gender roles are social constructs.

So you have now lost women’s innate desire to wear a dress over men’s desire to.

I never said they did. If you think I did, let me know where and I’ll edit the post to be more clear.

You said if there were no social pressure women would still continue to primarily be the ones who wear dresses, which certainly suggests they have a stronger innate desire to do so than men.

Because there would still be a cultural association. Most men can have long hair and aren’t criticized for doing so and most women can have short hair and not be criticized for doing so, yet on average more women have long hair then men and thus long hair is still associated with femininity.

No it isn’t just associated with femininity.

I didn’t say “just”. I don’t see how you can compare the number of men with long hair and the number of women with long hair and not see an association with long hair and femininity.

@zantax

nobody today assumes a man is female just because he has long hair.

Of course not. Is there anyone who assumes someone’s gender off a single attribute? Our gut determination of someone’s gender is based on a whole of many physical attributes we perceive. The only time I ever got misgendered when I had long hair was when I was in silhouette.

[Paul_Thomson]

[quote=“fallenturtle, post:455, topic:33649”]

@Paul_Thomson

@fallenturtle

@Paul_Thomson

A transgender woman, as defined in-house, is a pseudo-woman, or a man who has convinced himself his feelings make him a real woman.
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A transgender woman is a woman who is biologically male but has a gender identity of female.

He’s both.

Nope

I accept your correction . I was wrong. He is not both. He is not a woman who is biologically male but has a gender identity of female.

This is showing why the ungrammatical grammar of the transgender propagandists is so problematic.

[fallenturtle]

Actually I made a mistake, I shouldn’t have said, “A transgender woman is a woman who is biologically male but has a gender identity of female” but instead, “A transgender woman is a person who is biologically male but has a gender identity of female.” By using the word “woman” without specifying if I was speaking of gender or sex, I muddied the waters as I know you are very particular.

This is showing why the ungrammatical grammar of the transgender propagandists is so problematic.

Who are the transgender propagandists?

[Paul_Thomson]

@zantax

If defined gender roles shouldn’t exist, why even have the concept of gender? If my son says dad I want to wear a dress and I say, wear what you want and society allows him to wear what he wants, how is wanting to wear one any indication you are in any way a female of any kind?

It’s to divide, create problems and then come in as a Rescuer who needs political power to fix the manufactured problem. It’s how socialists roll. Dialectics.

You are spot on. If society allowed anyone to present themselves in any manner they wish, applying the same stabdards of decency regardless of sex, and allowed people access to any societal role on merit regardless of sex, socialists would find some other way to create factions between the sexes, such as "some people feel like they are women trapped in men’s bodies but some people refuse to call them women and are hurting their feelings while others are willing to accommodate their feelings. Which side are you on?

You need to give us (socialists) political power to legislate a solution to this injustice."

[Paul_Thomson]

@fallenturtle

This is showing why the ungrammatical grammar of the transgender propagandists is so problematic.

Who are the transgender propagandists?

The many people who argue the same nonsense as you are here.

[Oldandtired]

They all once did.

[fallenturtle]

@Paul_Thomson

@zantax

If defined gender roles shouldn’t exist, why even have the concept of gender? If my son says dad I want to wear a dress and I say, wear what you want and society allows him to wear what he wants, how is wanting to wear one any indication you are in any way a female of any kind?

It’s to divide, create problems and then come in as a Rescuer who needs political power to fix the manufactured problem. It’s how socialists roll. Dialectics.

You are spot on. If society allowed anyone to present themselves in any manner they wish, applying the same stabdards of decency regardless of sex, and allowed people access to any societal role on merit regardless of sex, socialists would find some other way to create factions between the sexes, such as "some people feel like they are women trapped in men’s bodies but some people refuse to call them women and are hurting their feelings while others are willing to accommodate their feelings. Which side are you on?

You need to give us (socialists) political power to legislate a solution to this injustice."

What does any of this have to do with economics?

[fallenturtle]

@Paul_Thomson

@fallenturtle

This is showing why the ungrammatical grammar of the transgender propagandists is so problematic.

Who are the transgender propagandists?

The many people who argue the same nonsense as you are here.

You said earlier, “So why do you think the transgender propagandists began by ascribing nomenclature that grammatically contradicts reality?” So who are the “transgender propagandists” who began this?

[zantax]

@fallenturtle

@Paul_Thomson

@zantax

If defined gender roles shouldn’t exist, why even have the concept of gender? If my son says dad I want to wear a dress and I say, wear what you want and society allows him to wear what he wants, how is wanting to wear one any indication you are in any way a female of any kind?

It’s to divide, create problems and then come in as a Rescuer who needs political power to fix the manufactured problem. It’s how socialists roll. Dialectics.

You are spot on. If society allowed anyone to present themselves in any manner they wish, applying the same stabdards of decency regardless of sex, and allowed people access to any societal role on merit regardless of sex, socialists would find some other way to create factions between the sexes, such as "some people feel like they are women trapped in men’s bodies but some people refuse to call them women and are hurting their feelings while others are willing to accommodate their feelings. Which side are you on?

You need to give us (socialists) political power to legislate a solution to this injustice."

What does any of this have to do with economics?

You don’t get to set economic policy without being elected.

[fallenturtle]

@Oldandtired

They all once did.

What about those with Mayer-Rokitansky-Küster-Hauser syndrome?

[fallenturtle]

@zantax

@fallenturtle

@Paul_Thomson

@zantax

If defined gender roles shouldn’t exist, why even have the concept of gender? If my son says dad I want to wear a dress and I say, wear what you want and society allows him to wear what he wants, how is wanting to wear one any indication you are in any way a female of any kind?

It’s to divide, create problems and then come in as a Rescuer who needs political power to fix the manufactured problem. It’s how socialists roll. Dialectics.

You are spot on. If society allowed anyone to present themselves in any manner they wish, applying the same stabdards of decency regardless of sex, and allowed people access to any societal role on merit regardless of sex, socialists would find some other way to create factions between the sexes, such as "some people feel like they are women trapped in men’s bodies but some people refuse to call them women and are hurting their feelings while others are willing to accommodate their feelings. Which side are you on?

You need to give us (socialists) political power to legislate a solution to this injustice."

What does any of this have to do with economics?

You don’t get to set economic policy without being elected.

Socialist invented transgender people and the terminology to refer to them in a ruse to gain power and implement socialist economic policies? Really?

[Paul_Thomson]

@fallenturtle

What does any of this have to do with economics?

Where did that word economics come from into this conversation ?