Toxic masculinity and white privilige. What to do?

[TheDoctorIsIn]

@altair1013

Okay now were are getting somewhere. Try helping people without labeling them as toxic. Your results will improve.

You are the only person here who thinks that the term toxic masculinity is a “label” assigned to people.

[Bodecea]

@Roxiebelle

NO its my thought because what the hell does “toxic masculinity” mean anyway? Libs don’t like the military, the police, firemen and other first responders or macho cowboys that like to shoot guns, drive trucks, and hunt so its MY OPINION that is the type of man that libs call toxic!

“Libs don’t like the military, the police, firemen and other first responders or macho cowboys that like to shoot guns, drive trucks , and hunt”…Says who?

[altair1013]

@Jezcoe

People aren’t being labeled as toxic.

Certain concepts are.

Hope that helps.

Trying to get through to someone by accusing them of having toxic masculinity is probably the worst way you can do it with the exception of calling them an A hole and saying "we’re here to help.

Hope that helps.

[TheDoctorIsIn]

@altair1013

Trying to get through to someone by accusing them of having toxic masculinity is probably the worst way you can do it with the exception of calling them an A hole and saying "we’re here to help.

Hope that helps.

Who has been accused of “having” toxic masculinity?

It’s not a condition.

[Bodecea]

@altair1013

@Jezcoe

Well… let’s go for low hanging fruit.

The Incel culture is pretty toxic.

Wouldn’t you agree?

The Antifa culture is one of the most toxic, violent cultures in America. But I would not blame toxic masculinity. I really thing that stupid racial or gender based insults are evil. Can’t we simply call them idiots?

Quite an interesting deflection there. Couldn’t give an answer about INCEL, eh?

[LouC]

@altair1013

First of all. I don’t believe in either. But that’s not my problem. Liberals have failed to convince me that I should concern myself with these made up conditions. So it’s a liberal problem, not mine. So for sake of argument, let’s move beyond that. What is the point of labeling someone as privileged? What am I supposed to do with this label? Walk around and feel guilty? What is the point? What do you suggest that I do with all of my privilege? Is this simply an awareness campaign? What’s the point? And what about my toxic masculinity? How toxic is it and how do I detoxify? Or am I supposed to simply feel bad for being too manly?

So in a nutshell. I have been labeled. What exactly do you want me to do with your labels?

White privilege is not some “made up condition”.

That you may not have experienced it or recognized it when you saw it does not negate its existence.

I have personally benefited in my life from White Privelege. It does exist.

My small midwest town where I was born in 1957, and raised, was a " sundown town" where it was still “understood” until my early teens.

I was hired by various companies in my life where it came to my knowledge that the owners would not have hired me if I had been black or hispanic. They only hired whites.

So even coming from humble beginnings, son of a single mother who worked a shoe factory job, and going on to work manual labor jobs myself, I still experienced the special privileges of being white.

[Bodecea]

@altair1013

@Jezcoe

That really isn’t that good of an answer to a yes or no question.

Okay heres your answer.

No. Toxic masculinity is a stupid idea developerd by stupid people. We should not be inventing more reasons to judge people based on gender and race. It’s assinine.

So…your answer is NO…you don’t find INCEL to be toxic.

[JayJay]

@altair1013

@JayJay

Actually, self-destructive behavior is precisely what “they” mean when “they” talk of toxic masculinity.

So they do it because they are concerned about the welfare of men and want to help them? Nice spin! I like! Y’all need to do a better job of promoting it this way. Maybe people will starl appreciating being labeled as toxic.

Oh, and one more thing. Anorexia is not the feminine version of toxic masculinity. That was invented here in this forum. Nobody calls someone who is struggling with anorexia a toxic person. What is the feminine version?

“Do” what, exactly?

And who is “they”?

[JayJay]

@altair1013

@TheDoctorIsIn

First of all, who is this “they” you keep referring to?

Second, the answer to this question is yes .

Okay now were are getting somewhere. Try helping people without labeling them as toxic. Your results will improve.

Nobody’s being labeled.

[Jezcoe]

@altair1013

@Jezcoe

People aren’t being labeled as toxic.

Certain concepts are.

Hope that helps.

Trying to get through to someone by accusing them of having toxic masculinity is probably the worst way you can do it with the exception of calling them an A hole and saying "we’re here to help.

Hope that helps.

I don’t understand why this is causing a defensive response.

You have been given clear examples of what the term means yet it is getting internallized as an attack.

Why is that?

[SaysWho]

5 Statistics That Explain the Link Between Domestic Violence and Mass Shootings

More fuel for the fire.

[Rodeo]

Nice word salad. Totally meaningless but…

You should put some ranch on it.

[altair1013]

@LouC

White privilege is not some “made up condition”.

Everyone in America who prepares for life has an excellent chance for success. If you give the effort, you are almost guaranteed success. Regardless of race. Corporate America loves to hire qualified minorities. They absolutely love it! I have worked for four multinational corporations. There is no doubts about this. Poor parenting, drugs, the lack of a father figure at home, dropping out of school, teenaged motherhood, etc, dwarfs the idea of white privilege. Focus on the big issues. Not the goofy labels.

[mobulis]

@Rodeo

Nice word salad. Totally meaningless but…

You should put some ranch on it.

Nope its absolutely true.

[Rodeo]

Meaningless hogwash but thanks…

[mobulis]

@Rodeo

Meaningless hogwash but thanks…

Still true…

[TommyLucchese]

@TheRedComet

Good men aren’t naturally good men. It has to be instilled. Taught at a young age. Toxic masculinity is the result of them having to figure it out on their own without any guidance from other good men. And they tend to ■■■■ it up. They have a misguided view of what being a man is. And we end up with 20 year olds whose reaction to rejection is to blow a girls brains out.

At least that’s my view. It’s not scientific but I honestly believe the lack of positive male role models has destroyed what traditional masculinity actually is

I heartily endorse anyone that doesn’t believe toxic masculinity exists to take a stroll over to r/niceguys, r/neckbeardthings and r/inceltears or just Google the latest misogynist flappery “the Thot audit.”

[LouC]

@altair1013

@LouC

White privilege is not some “made up condition”.

Everyone in America who prepares for life has an excellent chance for success. If you give the effort, you are almost guaranteed success. Regardless of race. Corporate America loves to hire qualified minorities. They absolutely love it! I have worked for four multinational corporations. There is no doubts about this. Poor parenting, drugs, the lack of a father figure at home, dropping out of school, teenaged motherhood, etc, dwarfs the idea of white privilege. Focus on the big issues. Not the goofy labels.

None of that negates the reality that in America White Privelege has existed and no doubt still does.

Look at the Republican Congress, a perfect example of late was the Kavanaugh hearing, you don’t get to be such a good old tightie white boys club like that by accident.

[WuWei]

@LouC

Look at the Republican Congress, a perfect example of late was the Kavanaugh hearing, you don’t get to be such a good old tightie white boys club like that by accident.

Clarence Thomas.

[PocketAces]

Are you a white privileged man in this country?