She was the one who who harassed Sandman, clear liberal. Standing was ‘harassing’ the Native American, she said.

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Unemployment, which Trump had gotten lower than 40 years before the Pandemic, is still lower than most of the Obama first term.
Civil unrest in cities run by Democrats, funded, applauded by Democrats. Biden/vp operatives funded looters/rioters. Not Trump rioters.
Democrat lockdowns crashed our economy most but those states lead in deaths. Putting virus laden people into nursing homes causing deaths were Democrats,
Racial tension fanned by BLM applauded by Democrats. Attacks on cops rampant fanned by BLM.
Gallup 56% of people said better off than 4 years ago.

Is Trump still President or not?
Did his term end in March?

Yes, Obama inherited a high unemployment rate and created more jobs and left with it record low which continued under Trump for a few years then exploded.

He doesn’t get excused from a crashed economy due to him mishandling a virus.

This is Trump’s America. I don’t blame you from running from it, but Trump’s America is near double digits unemployment, the first president in modern history to have less jobs after his 1st term then when he started, record high deficts, civil unrest, racial tensions, increased trade deficts, a Pandemic out of control…

That’s is Trump’s America. Full stop.

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That explains a lot.

Ok 1 by 1. Yes, he’s President through March. Not how he mishandled, if Biden was President we’d have more dead he was against the China travel ban calling it xenopobic, which would have led to more deaths, and Biden’s proposals are not any different from what Trump has already done. Although resurrecting another lockdown and forcing people to wear masks a little different. Though the CDC study recently shows of their people who got Coronavirus, people who always 70.6, or often wear masks 14.4 in other words 85% of people who did do that still got it. Possible lockdown which WHO says leads to more problems. Meanwhile in Europe, COVID cases are spiking, are you criticizing Europe for their spikes. Oh yea, Sweden is going way down they didn’t lock down. . But that argument aside, you want to focus on the economy/unemployment rate. Ok, this is a Federal governement, not a dictator, he can’t tell states what to do as far as lockdowns or not lockdowns, nor what State do based on state/local taxes. . The unemployment rates are higher in blue states not only because of higher state income taxes, but lockdowns closing down businesses. . Trump can’t stop that, why do you think he can.
https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm
Attached here are the states, who has the highest unemployment rates?

Pennsylvania 10.3 42
New Jersey 10.9 43
Illinois 11.0 44
Massachusetts 11.3 45
New Mexico 11.3 45
California 11.4 47
Hawaii 12.5 48
New York 12.5 48
Rhode Island 12.8 50
Nevada 13.2 51

If I’m not mistaken, those are states run by Democratic, I don’t know all governors but I think so.
Who has the lowest unemployment rate?
Unemployment Rates for States, Seasonally Adjusted State August 2020(P)
rate Rank
Nebraska 4.0 1
Utah 4.1 2
Idaho 4.2 3
South Dakota 4.8 4
Vermont 4.8 4
North Dakota 5.0 6
Alabama 5.6 7
Georgia 5.6 7
Montana 5.6 7
Oklahoma 5.7 10
Arizona 5.9 11
I checked on who the Vermont governor is, he is a Republican. So it looks like those run by Republican governors have a much lower unemployment rate, sure all states economies effected by the virus but much less than Democratic states.

Besides the top death rates, not just by total but the rate, by the virus at the very top, New York, New Jersey, are those who’ve done the lockdowns.

Now to your idea that the economy of Obama was going gangbusters and Trump just took advantage of the Obama economy. First, the GDP rate of 2019 was 1.6 rate, very slow rate, so it was not going gangbusters. Democrats and their spokesman in the media thought it would lead to recession.

• “Under Trump, I would expect a protracted recession to begin within 18 months. The damage would be felt far beyond the United States.” — Former Clinton and Obama chief economist Larry Summers, June 2016

• “Citigroup: A Trump Victory in November Could Cause a Global Recession” — Bloomberg Financial News headline, August 2016.

“I have never seen an election in which the markets have so strong of a view as to what was good and bad about the outcome. And what you saw was the markets rallying yesterday because of the FBI thing on Sunday. And the reason I mention this particularly is if the likely event happens and Trump wins you will see a market crash of historic proportions, I think … The markets are terrified of him.” — Steve Rattner, MSNBC economic guru, October 2016.

So absolutely no Democrats thought that Obama’s 1.6 GDP grown economy would lead to good things for Trump. He changed policies. He reduced economic regulations that strangled the economy. He got the tax cut through for both businesses that made the US more competitive internationally, which created jobs, and tax reductions for people as a whole. Income growth not just for rich people but income growth for those at the bottom. Unemployment rate for all went way low, historically low, some groups historically lower, that Obama never achieved.

Now, about the virus, this has effected all countries, Europeans however they managed it, has led to a spike in their unemployment rate as well.

https://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2020-10-01/unemployment-marches-higher-in-europe-amid-pandemic

FRANKFURT, Germany (AP) — Unemployment rose for a fifth straight month in Europe in August and is expected to grow further amid concern that extensive government support programs won’t be able keep many businesses hit by coronavirus restrictions afloat forever.

Their unemployment rate is going up, the European countries rate is about 8.1, ours is 8.4 now, but their rate is going up, ours is going down. Theirs is more artificially kept.

What about crashing the economy overall how do we stack up to the European management?
http://www.oecd.org/sdd/na/gdp-growth-second-quarter-2020-oecd.htm

Among the Major Seven economies, GDP fell most dramatically, by (minus) 20.4%, in the United Kingdom. In France, where lockdown measures were among the most stringent, GDP declined by (minus) 13.8%, after a drop of (minus) 5.9%** in the previous quarter.

GDP also fell sharply in Italy, Canada and Germany in the second quarter (by (minus) 12.4%, (minus) 12.0% and (minus) 9.7% respectively (compared with (minus) 5.4%, (minus) 2.1% and (minus) 2.0% in the previous quarter)‎.

In the United States, where many states introduced ‘stay-at-home’ measures late March,GDP contracted slightly less ((minus) 9.5%, compared with (minus) 1.3% in the previous quarter).

In Japan, where containment measures were less stringent, GDP contracted by (minus) 7.8% in the second quarter of 2020, compared with (minus) 0.6% in the previous quarter.

In the euro area and the European Union, GDP dropped by (minus) 12.1% and (minus) 11.7% respectively, compared with declines of (minus) 3.6% and (minus) 3.2% in the previous quarter.

So notice lockdowns have led to more of a crash in the economy in all these countries. The only one less, according to that article, is Japan, which is at 7.8 reduction in GDP, lower than us, but because they did not do a lockdown.

Now, racial tensions, do you forget Ferguson, Baltimore that bred Black Lives Matter based on the lie of Obama condemning the Hands up don’t shoot lie, which his own justice department proved was a lie. That was plenty of rioting looting back then. Baltimore happened under Obama, where the Democratic mayor said “Let them loot, it’s only property.”. That happened under Obama. BLM did their ‘what do we want dead cops, when do we want them, now’. ’ Pigs in a blanket fry em like bacon’. That happened under Obama. The killing of 4 police officers in Dallas he said was at the instigation of BLM, who Democrats continue to support. That happened under Obama. That is the start of what is going on now. The racial tension, the mayors and the police departments are controlled by Democratic mayors. The looting, rioting, killing happen in Democratic run cities, Trump can’t do anything about it, and they do not ask for help. Democrats were ranting & raving about Portland when he provided some help, and they were run out. Meanwhile it is still going on in cities under Democratic control.

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Yeah, I’ll read that rant later. Your very first statement is wrong.
Biden never said the China restrictions were wrong.
Find me a quote.
You can’t cause it did happen.

The rest seems to be you somehow arguing that Trump is only president of certain states vs the United States.

How? What did Obama do to create jobs?

Not anymore.

“Even with the positive job results the past two months, the unemployment rate and the number of unemployed people under President Trump are still at worse levels than at any time during President Obama and the Great Recession.”

yes he did. My ‘rant’ is called ‘evidence.’

He can’t force states to open up and you know it. Those who’ve locked down have more Unemployment and death…

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The article decided he did and that politifact is wrong, not that he actually did.

https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-unemployment-rate.htm
Follow the chart until 2012 ending of first term rate higher than 8.4 most of that timej

Addendum now it is Actually 7.9 in 12/12 almost 4 years it took for Obama.

The day after the travel restrictions were put in place, Biden criticized Trump for his xenophobic response to the coronavirus crisis. It strains credulity to argue that the criticism had nothing to do with those travel restrictions,

Politifact is leftist.

Reports show that everyone involved with the town hall (President Trump) at NBC had connections to the Obama Administration.

If President Trump wins re-election, he will also have to defeat the umpires - (media) as he did in 2016.

No… He didn’t. This is why you can’t find a actual quote.
He did say Trump is a Xenopobe and won’t handle this. And he was 100% right.
But he wasn’t talking about the China restrictions.

Biden also tweeted in Oct that Trump has made moves that put us at risk for a pandemic. During that time Trump was drawing circles on a map with a sharpie.

In Jan, when Trump was telling us that it wouldn’t get here and that we had nothing to worry about, Biden was writing a editorial that said this was a pandemic, and was going to come to America and we needed to be ready.

In Feb, Biden warned we were not doing enough and that China was not being honest with us. Trump meanwhile was tweeting how great china was, how they have it under control, and it would soon be gone.

So once again, Trump mishandled it all (while Biden was telling everyone to take this more serious) and the result is Trump’s America.

Close to double digits unemployment
220,000 dead
Record hight deficits
Civil unrest
Racial tension
high trade deficits
Schools closed

That is Trump’s America.

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Texas has higher death then CA and they didn’t lock down.

And I’ve posted very often here that if there was a national plan that had metrics, testing, contract tracing standards, guidlines around the metrics, action plans, etc. Then the Governors wouldn’t have to shut down and wouldn’t be all over the place.

Trump blew it and as a result his America is a mess.

So (to go back to what kicked this off). Saying “Liberals predicted a mess if Trump was elected in 2016” is correct. It’s also correct that they have been proven 100% correct.

Quote: Trump instituted travel ban 1/31 Biden tweeted on 2/1
The restrictions went into effect on Jan. 31. On the following day, [Feb. 1] Biden said on social media, “We are in the midst of a crisis with the coronavirus. We need to lead the way with science — not Donald Trump’s record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering. He is the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health emergency.”

This Feb. 1 Biden tweet directly speaks to the travel ban. Against it.

On March 12, Biden tweeted, “A wall will not stop the coronavirus. Banning all travel from Europe — or any other part of the world — will not stop it. This disease could impact every nation and any person on the planet — and we need a plan to combat it.”

Later, on March 18, Trump said on social media, “I always treated the Chinese Virus very seriously, and have done a very good job from the beginning, including my very early decision to close the “borders” from China - against the wishes of almost all. Many lives were saved. The Fake News new narrative is disgraceful & false!”

Biden (surely with the help of campaign aides, but still) responded directly to Trump’s tweet, declaring, “Stop the xenophobic fear-mongering. Be honest. Take responsibility. Do your job.” j

Close to double digits unemployment-In Democrat lock down states it is .In country 7.9 is not all that close to double digits. Now lower than most of Obama’s first term.
Record hight deficits=Democrats wants much more deficit spending to cover blue state deficits and pay for illegal alien payments and for their ‘free health care’ & green new deal.
Civil unrest- In cities run by Democrats egged on by Democrats. Antifa, just beat up a peaceful protester, a black guy in San Francisco.
Racial tension=Baltimore, Ferguson-Obama dead Dallas cops by BLM-Obama. BLM funded by Democrats, looting, rioting by Biden voters;
high trade deficits-went down last month.
Schools closed Democrat orders going by teacher union orders to get paid w/o. having to teach. It is safe especially for elementary schools.

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Of course they are. So is Snopes.