Tinfoil Trump is at it again

NebraskaFootball · 2018-05-17T19:48:02.117Z

Nashville:

I think he understands the scope of his power. I think he also understands the politics (esp. media reaction), if it could be claimed he tampered with the investigation. The politics of it is such that he’d probably fare better, if he went riding bare chested, with Putin, and posted his own selfies.

I disagree my friend. I do not believe Trump has ever cared about poor optics when it comes to defending himself or promoting himself. This is evidenced by the countless self-inflicted wounds he has brought on himself with statements and actions that have been horrendous optics for him and the administration. I do agree the optics would be bad for him though, I just don’t think he would care. But, this is obviously a very subjective opinion on my part only.

Nashville · 2018-05-17T20:33:51.369Z

NebraskaFootball:

Nashville:

I think he understands the scope of his power. I think he also understands the politics (esp. media reaction), if it could be claimed he tampered with the investigation. The politics of it is such that he’d probably fare better, if he went riding bare chested, with Putin, and posted his own selfies.

I disagree my friend. I do not believe Trump has ever cared about poor optics when it comes to defending himself or promoting himself. This is evidenced by the countless self-inflicted wounds he has brought on himself with statements and actions that have been horrendous optics for him and the administration. I do agree the optics would be bad for him though, I just don’t think he would care. But, this is obviously a very subjective opinion on my part only.

I think he does care about poor optics. He has his take on it. What’s poor optics? Maybe it depends on who you piss off, or fire up. I’d have to wonder though, why he hasn’t fired Sessions, Rosentein, and Mueller? If it’s no concern about optics, then why not? I think he does care about optics (to an extent), but it’s not about the optics. It’s about impeachment fodder, and who in Congress wants him impeached (or perhaps fine either way.)

NebraskaFootball · 2018-05-17T20:38:16.420Z

Nashville:

I think he does care about poor optics. He has his take on it. What’s poor optics? Maybe it depends on who you piss off, or fire up. I’d have to wonder though, why he hasn’t fired Sessions, Rosentein, and Mueller? If it’s no concern about optics, then why not? I think he does care about optics (to an extent), but it’s not about the optics. It’s about impeachment fodder, and who in Congress wants him impeached (or perhaps fine either way.)

You make some fair points. I’ll admit you could be on to something here. Although I will challenge with the idea he has not fired a bunch of people in the DOJ, including Mueller, because every attorney in his orbit has to have told him he would be sealing his own obstruction of justice fate. I’d argue he fears criminal charges more than impeachment hearings. Hence his “red line” stance when it comes to his finances.

DOLOOP · 2018-05-17T21:14:33.150Z

NebraskaFootball:

Nashville:

I think he does care about poor optics. He has his take on it. What’s poor optics? Maybe it depends on who you piss off, or fire up. I’d have to wonder though, why he hasn’t fired Sessions, Rosentein, and Mueller? If it’s no concern about optics, then why not? I think he does care about optics (to an extent), but it’s not about the optics. It’s about impeachment fodder, and who in Congress wants him impeached (or perhaps fine either way.)

You make some fair points. I’ll admit you could be on to something here. Although I will challenge with the idea he has not fired a bunch of people in the DOJ, including Mueller, because every attorney in his orbit has to have told him he would be sealing his own obstruction of justice fate. I’d argue he fears criminal charges more than impeachment hearings. Hence his “red line” stance when it comes to his finances.

Agreed on the criminal charges versus impeachment.

It was never meant to go this far. He never intended to be President. The campaign was about marketing the Trump brand. Second best in the primaries would have been perfect to launch his news or media empire and to bolster the value of his name and his properties.

While he knew he could count on his supporters to stick with him even if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue, I am convinced he knew that his past and especially his financials could not stand up to the constant scrutiny normally reserved for a party nominee, let alone a President.

Now he’s stuck out in the open. The defenses he has built to protect the information related to his business and his past are crumbling one by one by one. They were barely strong enough to stave off a barely interested press and a completely uninterested party vetting process. They are surely not strong enough to withstand even marginally competent legal or prosecutorial scrutiny.

He underestimated the stupidity of the American public. Or at least a majority of the voting portion of it it minus 3 million.

NebraskaFootball · 2018-05-17T21:18:18.001Z

DOLOOP:

Agreed on the criminal charges versus impeachment.

It was never meant to go this far. He never intended to be President. The campaign was about marketing the Trump brand. Second best in the primaries would have been perfect to launch his news or media empire and to bolster the value of his name and his properties.

While he knew he could count on his supporters to stick with him even if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue, I am convinced he knew that his past and especially his financials could not stand up to the constant scrutiny normally reserved for a party nominee, let alone a President.

Now he’s stuck out in the open. The defenses he has built to protect the information related to his business and his past are crumbling one by one by one. They were barely strong enough to stave off a barely interested press and a completely uninterested party vetting process. They are surely not strong enough to withstand even marginally competent legal or prosecutorial scrutiny.

He underestimated the stupidity of the American public. Or at least a majority of the voting portion of it it minus 3 million.

Well stated!

I’d only add to this, he underestimated the idiocy of the Democratic Party as well, to put forth literally the only candidate perhaps on the planet, he actually could beat.

Nashville · 2018-05-17T21:28:26.691Z

NebraskaFootball:

Nashville:

I think he does care about poor optics. He has his take on it. What’s poor optics? Maybe it depends on who you piss off, or fire up. I’d have to wonder though, why he hasn’t fired Sessions, Rosentein, and Mueller? If it’s no concern about optics, then why not? I think he does care about optics (to an extent), but it’s not about the optics. It’s about impeachment fodder, and who in Congress wants him impeached (or perhaps fine either way.)

You make some fair points. I’ll admit you could be on to something here. Although I will challenge with the idea he has not fired a bunch of people in the DOJ, including Mueller, because every attorney in his orbit has to have told him he would be sealing his own obstruction of justice fate. I’d argue he fears criminal charges more than impeachment hearings. Hence his “red line” stance when it comes to his finances.

He’s not fired a bunch of people in the DOJ. That’s rue. I’d say he would, if not for politically sensitive advisors. He probably wants to. Chomping at the bit, I’d guess. I’d want to myself , but grudgingly understand he can’t. He can’t, because political suicide, but maybe he will. Maybe he’ll just say ■■■■ it. I don’t know. Maybe he fears criminal charges, more than impeachment, who wouldn’t? I would. What are the criminal charges? I don’t understand about the “red line” stance when it comes to his finances.

DOLOOP · 2018-05-17T21:29:03.293Z

NebraskaFootball:

DOLOOP:

Agreed on the criminal charges versus impeachment.

It was never meant to go this far. He never intended to be President. The campaign was about marketing the Trump brand. Second best in the primaries would have been perfect to launch his news or media empire and to bolster the value of his name and his properties.

While he knew he could count on his supporters to stick with him even if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue, I am convinced he knew that his past and especially his financials could not stand up to the constant scrutiny normally reserved for a party nominee, let alone a President.

Now he’s stuck out in the open. The defenses he has built to protect the information related to his business and his past are crumbling one by one by one. They were barely strong enough to stave off a barely interested press and a completely uninterested party vetting process. They are surely not strong enough to withstand even marginally competent legal or prosecutorial scrutiny.

He underestimated the stupidity of the American public. Or at least a majority of the voting portion of it it minus 3 million.

Well stated!

I’d only add to this, he underestimated the idiocy of the Democratic Party as well, to put forth literally the only candidate perhaps on the planet, he actually could beat.

I can’t argue with that.

I hold Obama largely responsible for that. He essentially pre-litigated the thing by holding in favor of Clinton over Biden and prevented what in most cases would have been a robust selection process. The Sanders phenomenon likely would not have happened had their been more credible candidates from the center.

NebraskaFootball · 2018-05-17T21:40:10.375Z

Nashville:

He’s not fired a bunch of people in the DOJ. That’s rue. I’d say he would, if not for politically sensitive advisors. He probably wants to. Chomping at the bit, I’d guess. I’d want to myself , but grudgingly understand he can’t. He can’t, because political suicide, but maybe he will. Maybe he’ll just say ■■■■ it. I don’t know. Maybe he fears criminal charges, more than impeachment, who wouldn’t? I would. What are the criminal charges? I don’t understand about the “red line” stance when it comes to his finances.

I’m referencing criminal charges for obstruction of justice, if he were to fire either Rosenstein or Mueller. Even though I do not believe a sitting President can be charged or indicted while in office, they can once they are out of office, either via impeachment, or just when their time comes up. Firing either of those men, or Sessions in order to have a new AG who then ends the Mueller probe, would make for a much, much easier case to prosecute him on obstruction.

I believe he fears criminal charges more than impeachment, which is why he has not moved to fire these folks at the DOJ. Not because he is concerned with the optics of it. Like you, I bet he is chomping at the bit to do just that, but is afraid of the criminal penalties that could be levied against him. I believe this because of his statement about Mueller looking at his finances would be considered him crossing a red line. Likely because there are criminal misdeeds in Trump’s finances. He has been heavily involved in New York real estate for decades, and there is no convincing me that every single financial transaction he has ever made has been above board. He knows it too, which is why he warned against looking into his finances.

reflechissez · 2018-05-17T23:51:50.571Z

Very well articulated.

Guilds · 2018-05-18T02:23:14.895Z

Which is why “erratic” Cratic should be ignored. She spouts RW talking points, laments in actual fake news. and ignores any facts that are presented, no matter how much proof is provided.

NB, you are wasting your time. Unless you are like a cat playing with a mouse…and keeping it barely alive to keep playing.

Dissident_Aggressor · 2018-05-18T02:36:48.447Z

Blackwolf:

Probably no doubt” - I love phrasing like that. That’s so Donald.

I had to check to see if anybody commented on this. Stuff like this drives me insane. There’s either no doubt, or there’s doubt. Probably no doubt is a stupid way of saying there is doubt. Is it too hard to muster the word little? There’s little doubt. Damn, is that so hard?

hwyflier · 2018-05-18T02:39:46.179Z

With Todays Cohen news:

BuzzFeed News

Trump Moscow: The Definitive Story Of How Trump’s Team Worked The Russian...

On the day of the third Republican presidential debate, Trump personally signed the letter of intent.

How could there not be criminal informants surrounding the people Trump surrounds himself with?

hwyflier · 2018-05-18T02:41:53.423Z

I mean, We know Flynn promised to help Mueller. We know Papadopolous has too.

We learned today that Manafort’s Son-In-Law pleaded guilty in January. I haven’t read up on that one yet but I’m going to assume that he to promised to aid the investigation.

hwyflier · 2018-05-18T02:42:41.200Z

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2018-05-18T10:18:55.772Z

Guilds:

Which is why “erratic” Cratic should be ignored. She spouts RW talking points, laments in actual fake news. and ignores any facts that are presented, no matter how much proof is provided.

NB, you are wasting your time. Unless you are like a cat playing with a mouse…and keeping it barely alive to keep playing.

Hang on. After all these years how did I not know that Cratic is a woman?? The person that says that the lying cheating ■■■■■ grabbing adulterer is cool is a woman??

Shrink needed on aisle five!!! Stat!!!

Vigilante · 2018-05-18T10:29:03.193Z

Cratic3947:

Cross Fire hurricane.

So, they ran a scam on George Papadopoulos. The story is that the FBI told George Papadopoulos the Russians had Hillary missing e-mails. Then the Australian ambassador talks to George Papadopoulos who tells him the Russians have Hillary e-mails. Then the Australian ambassador calls the FBI and reports what he learned form George Papadopoulos. Then the FBI uses the intel they planted to start the inquisition.

Right now this is suppose to have been perpetrated by a few “rouge” FBI agents. If true, who knew what in the Obama admin, and when did they know it?

Why? 567891

FreeAndClear · 2018-05-18T11:39:28.012Z

Baron Trump was clearly the mole. The marriage to Melania was the long con and Trumpbclearly saw rightthrough it when he started sleeping with other women. Think about it she comes from a country from a former communist block. All Dems are communists. The Manchuria wife!

FreeAndClear · 2018-05-18T11:45:14.581Z

But Andrew McCarthy is and a big one at that

Chris · 2018-05-18T11:52:16.572Z

I remember Cratic on the old board stating that he has a wife. So I don’t think that he is a woman.

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2018-05-18T11:55:10.424Z

Chris:

I remember Cratic on the old board stating that he has a wife. So I don’t think that he is a woman.

That makes more sense. And oddly makes me feel better.