Tinfoil Trump is at it again

Guntsu · 2018-05-17T18:49:44.465Z

So you believe that?

That the mechanisms of the FBI and the DOJ were used to specifically target Donald Trump and his organization. With the expressed purpose of taking him out of power.

Got it…

Yeah you keep on doing you…

NebraskaFootball · 2018-05-17T18:54:55.971Z

Cratic3947:

NebraskaFootball:

Cratic3947:

I’m saying this just broke and we’ll see how it plays out.

It did not just break. Not that I expected you to have read the piece by the NYT, but virtually all of it was a re-hash of already available information. The only new revelations in it, are showing how reserved the FBI and DOJ actually were in their pursuit of their investigation. Which blows a deep hole in the Trump narrative that there was some deep state plot out to prevent his Presidency, or undermine it once he won. And most certainly destroys the narrative you are fallaciously attempting to create, in saying there were “rogue” agents perpetrating some coup attempt.

Article from NR.

…"The Grey Lady (NYT) “buried the lead”. “You have to dig pretty deep to find the FBI ran “at least one government informant” against the Trump campaign.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/crossfire-hurricane-new-york-times-report-buries-lede/

NR was not a big fan of Trump…

As suspected, you did not read the NYT article yourself. You are relying on someone else to read it for you, develop some misleading assumptions, which you then manipulate even more and try to pawn it off as legitimate probabilities. It is the epitome of deceptiveness. Because you chose to not read the NYT article yourself, you probably also have no clue why your claims here are so absurd.

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2018-05-17T19:16:20.992Z

Cratic3947:

There is no collusion.

you’re guess may be true. but it’s still a guess.

madasheck · 2018-05-17T19:16:55.945Z

tnt:

Trump truly is the Fox News/Conservative Media president.

This is exactly the same as a commentator screaming about…anything really - pick a topic…Government spending! ‘Government spending is the worst thing in the world! We should d something about it!’ But then, they turn around an support big spending war mongering GOPers who give great interviews and are on the ‘team’ so to speak…IOW, they don’t do a damn thing really to advance their cause, they just like talking about their causes for ratings.

Trump is like that - he just wants to talk about stuff, in an effort to stroke his ego. Never mind that he actually has the power to do something about this stuff he babbles on about…that’s beside the point.

And the sad thing is, millions of americans read these tweets and think ‘Yeah…trump is right…that is an ILLEGAL investigation…’ or whatever…

We are utterly ■■■■■■ as a country. We truly are.

At least until hopefully this next election.

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2018-05-17T19:18:14.122Z

Cratic3947:

I agree with Trump policy.

okay, i’m gonna have to admit something. Trumpcare and lowering the national debt have been successes. that’s why i think it’s okay that he golfs on our dime so much.

Nashville · 2018-05-17T19:20:30.397Z

NebraskaFootball:

LucyLou:

Trump seems unable to grasp that he could actually do a look-see at all this information if it was actually there instead of breathlessly repeating Limbaugh and Fox.

He truly does seem intellectually incapable of comprehending this most basic set of facts. And he lacks the intellectual curiosity to inform himself on the true scope of his power. I suppose we should be thankful for the small things.

I think he understands the scope of his power. I think he also understands the politics (esp. media reaction), if it could be claimed he tampered with the investigation. The politics of it is such that he’d probably fare better, if he went riding bare chested, with Putin, and posted his own selfies.

NebraskaFootball · 2018-05-17T19:48:02.117Z

Nashville:

I think he understands the scope of his power. I think he also understands the politics (esp. media reaction), if it could be claimed he tampered with the investigation. The politics of it is such that he’d probably fare better, if he went riding bare chested, with Putin, and posted his own selfies.

I disagree my friend. I do not believe Trump has ever cared about poor optics when it comes to defending himself or promoting himself. This is evidenced by the countless self-inflicted wounds he has brought on himself with statements and actions that have been horrendous optics for him and the administration. I do agree the optics would be bad for him though, I just don’t think he would care. But, this is obviously a very subjective opinion on my part only.

Nashville · 2018-05-17T20:33:51.369Z

NebraskaFootball:

Nashville:

I think he understands the scope of his power. I think he also understands the politics (esp. media reaction), if it could be claimed he tampered with the investigation. The politics of it is such that he’d probably fare better, if he went riding bare chested, with Putin, and posted his own selfies.

I disagree my friend. I do not believe Trump has ever cared about poor optics when it comes to defending himself or promoting himself. This is evidenced by the countless self-inflicted wounds he has brought on himself with statements and actions that have been horrendous optics for him and the administration. I do agree the optics would be bad for him though, I just don’t think he would care. But, this is obviously a very subjective opinion on my part only.

I think he does care about poor optics. He has his take on it. What’s poor optics? Maybe it depends on who you piss off, or fire up. I’d have to wonder though, why he hasn’t fired Sessions, Rosentein, and Mueller? If it’s no concern about optics, then why not? I think he does care about optics (to an extent), but it’s not about the optics. It’s about impeachment fodder, and who in Congress wants him impeached (or perhaps fine either way.)

NebraskaFootball · 2018-05-17T20:38:16.420Z

Nashville:

I think he does care about poor optics. He has his take on it. What’s poor optics? Maybe it depends on who you piss off, or fire up. I’d have to wonder though, why he hasn’t fired Sessions, Rosentein, and Mueller? If it’s no concern about optics, then why not? I think he does care about optics (to an extent), but it’s not about the optics. It’s about impeachment fodder, and who in Congress wants him impeached (or perhaps fine either way.)

You make some fair points. I’ll admit you could be on to something here. Although I will challenge with the idea he has not fired a bunch of people in the DOJ, including Mueller, because every attorney in his orbit has to have told him he would be sealing his own obstruction of justice fate. I’d argue he fears criminal charges more than impeachment hearings. Hence his “red line” stance when it comes to his finances.

DOLOOP · 2018-05-17T21:14:33.150Z

NebraskaFootball:

Nashville:

I think he does care about poor optics. He has his take on it. What’s poor optics? Maybe it depends on who you piss off, or fire up. I’d have to wonder though, why he hasn’t fired Sessions, Rosentein, and Mueller? If it’s no concern about optics, then why not? I think he does care about optics (to an extent), but it’s not about the optics. It’s about impeachment fodder, and who in Congress wants him impeached (or perhaps fine either way.)

You make some fair points. I’ll admit you could be on to something here. Although I will challenge with the idea he has not fired a bunch of people in the DOJ, including Mueller, because every attorney in his orbit has to have told him he would be sealing his own obstruction of justice fate. I’d argue he fears criminal charges more than impeachment hearings. Hence his “red line” stance when it comes to his finances.

Agreed on the criminal charges versus impeachment.

It was never meant to go this far. He never intended to be President. The campaign was about marketing the Trump brand. Second best in the primaries would have been perfect to launch his news or media empire and to bolster the value of his name and his properties.

While he knew he could count on his supporters to stick with him even if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue, I am convinced he knew that his past and especially his financials could not stand up to the constant scrutiny normally reserved for a party nominee, let alone a President.

Now he’s stuck out in the open. The defenses he has built to protect the information related to his business and his past are crumbling one by one by one. They were barely strong enough to stave off a barely interested press and a completely uninterested party vetting process. They are surely not strong enough to withstand even marginally competent legal or prosecutorial scrutiny.

He underestimated the stupidity of the American public. Or at least a majority of the voting portion of it it minus 3 million.

NebraskaFootball · 2018-05-17T21:18:18.001Z

DOLOOP:

Agreed on the criminal charges versus impeachment.

It was never meant to go this far. He never intended to be President. The campaign was about marketing the Trump brand. Second best in the primaries would have been perfect to launch his news or media empire and to bolster the value of his name and his properties.

While he knew he could count on his supporters to stick with him even if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue, I am convinced he knew that his past and especially his financials could not stand up to the constant scrutiny normally reserved for a party nominee, let alone a President.

Now he’s stuck out in the open. The defenses he has built to protect the information related to his business and his past are crumbling one by one by one. They were barely strong enough to stave off a barely interested press and a completely uninterested party vetting process. They are surely not strong enough to withstand even marginally competent legal or prosecutorial scrutiny.

He underestimated the stupidity of the American public. Or at least a majority of the voting portion of it it minus 3 million.

Well stated!

I’d only add to this, he underestimated the idiocy of the Democratic Party as well, to put forth literally the only candidate perhaps on the planet, he actually could beat.

Nashville · 2018-05-17T21:28:26.691Z

NebraskaFootball:

Nashville:

I think he does care about poor optics. He has his take on it. What’s poor optics? Maybe it depends on who you piss off, or fire up. I’d have to wonder though, why he hasn’t fired Sessions, Rosentein, and Mueller? If it’s no concern about optics, then why not? I think he does care about optics (to an extent), but it’s not about the optics. It’s about impeachment fodder, and who in Congress wants him impeached (or perhaps fine either way.)

You make some fair points. I’ll admit you could be on to something here. Although I will challenge with the idea he has not fired a bunch of people in the DOJ, including Mueller, because every attorney in his orbit has to have told him he would be sealing his own obstruction of justice fate. I’d argue he fears criminal charges more than impeachment hearings. Hence his “red line” stance when it comes to his finances.

He’s not fired a bunch of people in the DOJ. That’s rue. I’d say he would, if not for politically sensitive advisors. He probably wants to. Chomping at the bit, I’d guess. I’d want to myself , but grudgingly understand he can’t. He can’t, because political suicide, but maybe he will. Maybe he’ll just say ■■■■ it. I don’t know. Maybe he fears criminal charges, more than impeachment, who wouldn’t? I would. What are the criminal charges? I don’t understand about the “red line” stance when it comes to his finances.

DOLOOP · 2018-05-17T21:29:03.293Z

NebraskaFootball:

DOLOOP:

Agreed on the criminal charges versus impeachment.

It was never meant to go this far. He never intended to be President. The campaign was about marketing the Trump brand. Second best in the primaries would have been perfect to launch his news or media empire and to bolster the value of his name and his properties.

While he knew he could count on his supporters to stick with him even if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue, I am convinced he knew that his past and especially his financials could not stand up to the constant scrutiny normally reserved for a party nominee, let alone a President.

Now he’s stuck out in the open. The defenses he has built to protect the information related to his business and his past are crumbling one by one by one. They were barely strong enough to stave off a barely interested press and a completely uninterested party vetting process. They are surely not strong enough to withstand even marginally competent legal or prosecutorial scrutiny.

He underestimated the stupidity of the American public. Or at least a majority of the voting portion of it it minus 3 million.

Well stated!

I’d only add to this, he underestimated the idiocy of the Democratic Party as well, to put forth literally the only candidate perhaps on the planet, he actually could beat.

I can’t argue with that.

I hold Obama largely responsible for that. He essentially pre-litigated the thing by holding in favor of Clinton over Biden and prevented what in most cases would have been a robust selection process. The Sanders phenomenon likely would not have happened had their been more credible candidates from the center.

NebraskaFootball · 2018-05-17T21:40:10.375Z

Nashville:

He’s not fired a bunch of people in the DOJ. That’s rue. I’d say he would, if not for politically sensitive advisors. He probably wants to. Chomping at the bit, I’d guess. I’d want to myself , but grudgingly understand he can’t. He can’t, because political suicide, but maybe he will. Maybe he’ll just say ■■■■ it. I don’t know. Maybe he fears criminal charges, more than impeachment, who wouldn’t? I would. What are the criminal charges? I don’t understand about the “red line” stance when it comes to his finances.

I’m referencing criminal charges for obstruction of justice, if he were to fire either Rosenstein or Mueller. Even though I do not believe a sitting President can be charged or indicted while in office, they can once they are out of office, either via impeachment, or just when their time comes up. Firing either of those men, or Sessions in order to have a new AG who then ends the Mueller probe, would make for a much, much easier case to prosecute him on obstruction.

I believe he fears criminal charges more than impeachment, which is why he has not moved to fire these folks at the DOJ. Not because he is concerned with the optics of it. Like you, I bet he is chomping at the bit to do just that, but is afraid of the criminal penalties that could be levied against him. I believe this because of his statement about Mueller looking at his finances would be considered him crossing a red line. Likely because there are criminal misdeeds in Trump’s finances. He has been heavily involved in New York real estate for decades, and there is no convincing me that every single financial transaction he has ever made has been above board. He knows it too, which is why he warned against looking into his finances.

reflechissez · 2018-05-17T23:51:50.571Z

Very well articulated.

Guilds · 2018-05-18T02:23:14.895Z

Which is why “erratic” Cratic should be ignored. She spouts RW talking points, laments in actual fake news. and ignores any facts that are presented, no matter how much proof is provided.

NB, you are wasting your time. Unless you are like a cat playing with a mouse…and keeping it barely alive to keep playing.

Dissident_Aggressor · 2018-05-18T02:36:48.447Z

Blackwolf:

Probably no doubt” - I love phrasing like that. That’s so Donald.

I had to check to see if anybody commented on this. Stuff like this drives me insane. There’s either no doubt, or there’s doubt. Probably no doubt is a stupid way of saying there is doubt. Is it too hard to muster the word little? There’s little doubt. Damn, is that so hard?

hwyflier · 2018-05-18T02:39:46.179Z

With Todays Cohen news:

BuzzFeed News

Trump Moscow: The Definitive Story Of How Trump’s Team Worked The Russian...

On the day of the third Republican presidential debate, Trump personally signed the letter of intent.

How could there not be criminal informants surrounding the people Trump surrounds himself with?

hwyflier · 2018-05-18T02:41:53.423Z

I mean, We know Flynn promised to help Mueller. We know Papadopolous has too.

We learned today that Manafort’s Son-In-Law pleaded guilty in January. I haven’t read up on that one yet but I’m going to assume that he to promised to aid the investigation.

hwyflier · 2018-05-18T02:42:41.200Z