Thug Culture State of Mind

[WuWei]

@fallenturtle

What’s ridiculous is that idea that a lack of fathers is the only reason black people on average do worse than white people.

What’s ridiculous is black people and white people.

[fallenturtle]

@WuWei

@fallenturtle

What’s ridiculous is that idea that a lack of fathers is the only reason black people on average do worse than white people.

What’s ridiculous is black people and white people.

Indeed. But thanks primarily to white people, its a thing now.

[WuWei]

@fallenturtle

But thanks primarily to white people

[conan]

Was your father around growing up?

[fallenturtle]

@conan

Was your father around growing up?

I saw him on weekends.

[Eagle-Keeper]

@fallenturtle

@Smyrna

It isn’t that they can’t but it isn’t nearly as effective as both and to even try to pretend otherwise is what’s ridiculous.

What’s ridiculous is that idea that a lack of fathers is the only reason black people on average do worse than white people.

Here I’ll simplify it for you. Success in life is based overwhelmingly on these two following factors:

1. Who one’s parents are and how they are raised.

2. The choices one makes in life.

3. How hard you work at being successful and/or climbing up the economic ladder in the profession one chooses.

Go ahead and refute that.

PS - My first job for a major company was working for UPS in the 1980’s. My supervisor was a black man. News flash we are in the year 2021.

[Samm]

@PurpnGold

Probs having a bad day

What’s that supposed to mean?

[Samm]

@Eagle-Keeper

@FreeAndClear

Why would i place myself into an inner city when i say population at large? Let’s try that again the likelihood of the population at large being victim of gang violence equals the likelihood of the population st large suffering at the hands of domestic terrorists.

How many people are killed each year by gang violence vs domestic terrorism related to white supremacy?

Don’t you know by now, it’s not about how many people die, it’s about how you feel about it.

[Samm]

@PurpnGold

Adding to that 90%…

90% of what?

[fallenturtle]

@Eagle-Keeper

Here I’ll simplify it for you. Success in life is based overwhelmingly on these two following factors:

1. Who one’s parents are and how they are raised.
2. The choices one makes in life.
3. How hard you work at being successful and/or climbing up the economic ladder in the profession one chooses.

Go ahead and refute that.

The easiest way to refute that is that you listed 3 factors but said 2.

You just gave more factors than “lack of a father” which is my point, its not just “lack of a father”

So I won’t refute it, though I will add on to it because where you grow up also is a factor. People who grow up in impoverished areas do worse and when it comes to inner city black people racist laws of the past, like redlining, largely contributed to the conditions of where they live.

@Eagle-Keeper

PS - My first job for a major company was working for UPS in the 1980’s. My supervisor was a black man. News flash we are in the year 2021.

So?

[Eagle-Keeper]

@fallenturtle

@Eagle-Keeper

1. Who one’s parents are and how they are raised.

2. The choices one makes in life.
3. How hard you work at being successful and/or climbing up the economic ladder in the profession one chooses.

Go ahead and refute that.

PS - My first job for a major company was working for UPS in the 1980’s. My supervisor was a black man. News flash we are in the year 2021.

The easiest way to refute that is that you listed 3 factors but said 2.

I meant to use 3 to be a subset of number 2.

[Eagle-Keeper]

@fallenturtle

You just gave more factors than “lack of a father” which is my point, its not just “lack of a father”

So I won’t refute it, though I will add on to it because where you grow up also is a factor. People who grow up in impoverished areas do worse and when it comes to inner city black people racist laws of the past, like redlining, largely contributed to the conditions of where they live.

All of what you explain here relates to number 1 - Who your parents are. One can have married parents who had established themselves economically before having a child. One can have a single mom who got knocked up as teenager whilst living in poverty. Etc., etc., etc.

[TheRedComet]

More than I got. I saw my dad once a year on average.

[fallenturtle]

@Eagle-Keeper

@fallenturtle

You just gave more factors than “lack of a father” which is my point, its not just “lack of a father”

So I won’t refute it, though I will add on to it because where you grow up also is a factor. People who grow up in impoverished areas do worse and when it comes to inner city black people racist laws of the past, like redlining, largely contributed to the conditions of where they live.

All of what you explain here relates to number 1 - Who your parents are. One can have married parents who had established themselves economically before having a child. One can have a single mom who got knocked up as teenager whilst living in poverty. Etc., etc., etc.

Yes… . but you could also have two moms, or two dads… you could have a single parent who has a live in relative that helps out. Also if they were always single or if there was a divorce and at what age the child was at the divorce are all factors. Its much too complicated to place the blame on lack of a father… too many variables.

[fallenturtle]

@TheRedComet

More than I got. I saw my dad once a year on average.

Sorry.

I realize that I was luckier than other child of divorced parents… I missed most of the trauma because he left when I was still a baby (it was harder for my older brother) and I got to see him on weekends and he went beyond what was expected of him when it came to giving my mom financial support. But as far as discipline, he wasn’t a strong roll. I don’t recall ever hearing him yell at me. But I didn’t do drugs or drink until college, finished college, and I’m a successful father of two in a healthy marriage. Full disclosure, I’m white.

What influence do you feel that had on who you grew up to be and how hard to work at school and success in general?

[Eagle-Keeper]

@fallenturtle

@Eagle-Keeper

PS - My first job for a major company was working for UPS in the 1980’s. My supervisor was a black man. News flash we are in the year 2021.

So?

So are things worse now than they were in the 1980’s? Here’s my problem, throughout my professional career and that of my siblings, black Americans have been in working along side of us in good jobs at good companies. Now to be fair our professional careers are largely relegated to Northeast Jersey. We are all shaped by our experiences.

[PurpnGold]

@Samm

@PurpnGold

Probs having a bad day

What’s that supposed to mean?

Pretty self explanatory.

That dude was just having a bad day

[PurpnGold]

@Samm

@PurpnGold

Adding to that 90%…

90% of what?

White on Asian violence

[PurpnGold]

@Eagle-Keeper

So are things worse now than they were in the 1980’s? Here’s my problem, throughout my professional career and that of my siblings, black Americans have been in working along side of us in good jobs at good companies. Now to be fair our professional careers are largely relegated to Northeast Jersey. We are all shaped by our experiences.

That’s an anecdote.

[fallenturtle]

@Eagle-Keeper

@fallenturtle

@Eagle-Keeper

PS - My first job for a major company was working for UPS in the 1980’s. My supervisor was a black man. News flash we are in the year 2021.

So?

So are things worse now than they were in the 1980’s? Here’s my problem, throughout my professional career and that of my siblings, black Americans have been in working along side of us in good jobs at good companies. Now to be fair our professional careers are largely relegated to Northeast Jersey. We are all shaped by our experiences.

No… but like Obama being elected president, some African Americans success doesn’t mean overall everything is hunky dory the average African American. Kinda like how the fact that I have been successful and have a happy marriage doesn’t mean there are no issues when it comes to single parents raising children.

Basically I agree more than one parent is important. Raising a kid is stressful, you get sick, etc… and so have a second person (or more) there to share the load is valuable. And of course a second income or not having to pay for childcare is a big help too. I just don’t buy the gender side of it. The personality of the parent matters so much more than the gender.