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Based on your new law proposals, lot of hate speech going on in your posts.

Remember, hate speech is what someone else deems it to be since there is no specific definition given. That’s just one of the concerns about these new proposals.

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I’m totally with you that the onus should be on the man. Too.

What shall we do to help him? Immerse him in the current culture of sexual saturation? All the music they listen to. The video entertainment. Pornography at their fingertips. And here come fresh young women dressed just like the loose characters in their favorite video games.

Telling him the onus is on him becomes just words.

Of course, that same culture also tells the girls that they need to dress like that, or they won’t get noticed. And they WANT to get noticed. Who doesn’t? But today’s culture tells them that REAL “notice” means intimacy beyond a dance and a goodnight kiss. It’s a hook-up culture.

How do we change that culture?

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I don’t know but I have a right wing son telling me how he’s upset at a media telling him he’s toxic.
Maybe if we don’t assume they are it might help.

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Would you stop and actually listen to what we are saying? Nobody said that women are responsible for the behavior of the men who are attracted by their attire. Nobody said that women wearing provocative clothing excuses the inappropriate behavior of the men. What we are saying is that it is a stupid choice to smear yourself with bacon grease and enter a lion’s den … or whatever analogy suits your liking.

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Am I?

What is “acting inappropriately” in the context of a female in a miniskirt?

Reproductive drive is real.

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Sounds like you’re trying to make men responsible for women’s behaviour even when acting inappropriately.

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Why are you getting all personal?

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What an odd rationalization for oppression?

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Women can dress however they want anywhere and shouldn’t even consider the possible consequences.
People must say only what the government approves of because of the possible consequences of their speech.

I’m trying to reconcile these two views and think of a name for,it. It certainly isn’t libertarian…

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They are trying to engineer their great society with force.

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You’re pointing out the other side of the coin I was describing.

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There are plenty of tom boys who act like lady’s. Wearing dress’s and having your hair done does not make you a lady.
I grew up riding horses daily. Checking and fixing fences. Working cattle. Which includes branding cattle, castrating cattle, vaccinating cattle, pulling calves and ect. I have worn jeans and boots and had my hair in a ponytail most of my life. But I have always acted like a lady.
Woman who feel the need to dress like sluts and act like sluts lack the confidence to believe that a man will be attracted to them if they are not going to be an easy lay.
You act like a lady because you want to be treated like a lady and not just sex for the night.

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There is no set definition of behaving like a lady and would mean different things to different people and is therefore elusive.
For example i don’t think you are as much of a lady by my standards because I don’t think a lady would refer to other women as sluts.
So if we can’t agree on how a lady should be how can we behave like one.
How about just behaving like a good person regardless of gender or clothing.
Even if you do everything right you can still be a victim of a man who can’t control himself so maybe that is who the focus should be on, in terms of adapting their behaviour.

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Boy you are really painting men in a very bad light here and as a mother to a 22 year old son who is fed up with society and the media telling him he’s toxic, i take offence to your analogy on his behalf.
Dressing provocatively is allowed and has been done for years to attract the opposite sex, this is not a stupid choice.
What is a stupid choice is acting inappropriately to unwanted advances.
Not only stupid but criminal behaviour, dressing how you like however is not.

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Reality is not always pretty, but a smart person acknowledges its existence and acts accordingly.

I notice that neither you nor anyone else has addressed my drunk man flashing cash or a black man in a White Supremist bar, or the MAGA hat wearer at the LGBTQ (or worse yet a BLM) rally,) analogies yet. Rights are rights, but making stupid choices is still stupidity.

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Hear! Hear!

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That’s not true.

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Provoking what by whom? Do you know “provocative” means?

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I really can’t believe you think men are that debased and devoid of rational thought in the face of provocative clothing on a woman.
And if they act inappropriately its the woman that needs to adjust not them.
You are really intent on portraying men as toxic and at the same time saying women need to change how they dress.

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I just proved it because I don’t think a “real lady” would refer to other women as sluts.
@Oldandtired does and she is a lady by her definition.
Neither of us are right or wrong we just define it differently.