Three illegal immigration lies

adroit · 2019-05-01T15:53:42.594Z

Mountain_Soldier:

But it’s not a crime.

Otherwise illegal immigrants would have criminal records.

It is and many do.

kingarthur65 · 2019-05-01T15:58:13.295Z

altair1013:

You can start with the Senate Immigration Reform bill of 2013.
What do you think should be done?

It’s a decent start. 700 miles of border fencing is a good idea as long as it’s an actual formidable barrier. Not simply a glorified chain link fence. Do you think that this bill has any hope in the house? Most of the presidential candidates have pledged not to add any additional barriers. Some have pledged to tear down existing ones. Nancy has offered $1.00 to fund barriers. So where does it go from here?

This comprehensive immigration reform bill was negotiated by the bipartisan gang of 8. There was give and take on both sides and this was and is a good example of compromise on both sides.

It’s very telling that the only part of interest to you is additional barriers. The bill also provides funding for additional judges and border patrol agents, which would better address the problems we are seeing at the border today.

The singular idea of building a wall does very little to address the problems we are seeing today. Trump has received funding for expanding barriers each year of his presidency. He hasn’t spent the funds he received in 2017 yet. I think the country would be better served to hire more judges and agents. It would have a more immediate impact. A wall will take years to build and have any impact.

altair1013 · 2019-05-01T16:02:39.107Z

This question remains:

Do you think that this bill has any hope in the house? Most of the presidential candidates have pledged not to add any additional barriers. Some have pledged to tear down existing ones. Nancy has offered $1.00 to fund barriers. So where does it go from here?

kingarthur65 · 2019-05-01T16:08:08.395Z

altair1013:

This question remains:

Do you think that this bill has any hope in the house? Most of the presidential candidates have pledged not to add any additional barriers. Some have pledged to tear down existing ones. Nancy has offered $1.00 to fund barriers. So where does it go from here?

As this bill is currently written? I doubt it, but it is a good starting point for compromise. Which is what I suggested to begin with.

Nancy offered $1 after Trump was already offered $1B. Then Trump wanted $5B. Then Congress approved $1B, ending the shutdown.

Mountain_Soldier · 2019-05-01T16:10:03.400Z

I thought it was a civil issue and not a criminal one?

altair1013 · 2019-05-01T16:11:34.002Z

kingarthur65:

As this bill is currently written? I doubt it, but it is a good starting point for compromise. Which is what I suggested to begin with.

Nancy offered $1 after Trump was already offered $1B. Then Trump wanted $5B. Then Congress approved $1B, ending the shutdown.

Agreed. None of the presidential candidates will be in favor of 700 miles of new barrier. That would be an admission that we have a serious problem on the border. They are not prepared to go there. This bill will offer nothing to republicans after they are done tinkering with it.

kingarthur65 · 2019-05-01T16:25:25.874Z

altair1013:

As this bill is currently written? I doubt it, but it is a good starting point for compromise. Which is what I suggested to begin with.

Nancy offered $1 after Trump was already offered $1B. Then Trump wanted $5B. Then Congress approved $1B, ending the shutdown.

Agreed. None of the presidential candidates will be in favor of 700 miles of new barrier. That would be an admission that we have a serious problem on the border. They are not prepared to go there. This bill will offer nothing to republicans after they are done tinkering with it.

Your singular focus on a wall, while not surprising, does not address the problems we are currently experiencing at the southern border.

altair1013 · 2019-05-01T16:45:53.766Z

kingarthur65:

Your singular focus on a wall, while not surprising, does not address the problems we are currently experiencing at the southern border.

You are mistaken. I’m not the one who will be shooting this bill down because it funds a barrier. It has absolutely zero to do with me. You need to come to terms with this fact.

adroit · 2019-05-01T16:46:22.427Z

Mountain_Soldier:

I thought it was a civil issue and not a criminal one?

Illegal presence (being here undocumented) is a civil matter.
Illegal entry (the initial act of crossing the border) between ports of entry is a crime.

WuWei · 2019-05-01T16:48:40.994Z

reflechissez:

convenient cop out.

Correct it.

kingarthur65 · 2019-05-01T16:54:10.139Z

altair1013:

Your singular focus on a wall, while not surprising, does not address the problems we are currently experiencing at the southern border.

You are mistaken. I’m not the one who will be shooting this bill down because it funds a barrier. It has absolutely zero to do with me. You need to come to terms with this fact.

Is a wall the only way to address problems at the border? Is it even the best way to address the current problems?

altair1013 · 2019-05-01T17:01:30.415Z

kingarthur65:

Is a wall the only way to address problems at the border? Is it even the best way to address the current problems?

A wall restricts entry. It keeps us from being over run as is currently happening. People who are apprehended should be put on a bus and sent south immediately to await their hearing. We definitely need to stop releasing people have been caught sneaking into our country. We need to be able to deport people quicker. Anyone who has committed a theft, a drunk driving offense, I.D. theft, assault, should be deported instantly. Not protected by sanctuary cities. So yes, there are things that we should do in addition to a wall.

Hexenbiest · 2019-05-01T17:04:05.479Z

I am not sure if it is the best solution, but two recent countries Turkey and Hungary that placed a modern wall/fence along their border dramatically decreased illegal crossings. Of course one can get into the logistics of the size of our border compared to their’s but it might not be the wrong thing to study the effects of illegals crossings in countries that have placed them.

Camp · 2019-05-01T17:23:04.931Z

The existence of every “sanctuary” legislative effort belies your assertion.

altair1013 · 2019-05-01T19:02:48.180Z

Camp:

The existence of every “sanctuary” legislative effort belies your assertion

Yep. Nit wit politicians think they can have it both ways. Claim to be in favor of border security and sanctuary cities.

It takes a high dose of high grade weed in order for any thinking human being to believe that hogwash.

Oldandtired · 2019-05-01T19:18:34.424Z

Amnesty bill. Never going to pass. You take that out and it would probably pass.

wiley8425 · 2019-05-01T19:28:35.509Z

Besides smoke and mirrors?

mobulis · 2019-05-01T19:40:07.435Z

Camp:

The existence of every “sanctuary” legislative effort belies your assertion.

No it doesn’t.

WuWei · 2019-05-01T19:47:28.947Z

kingarthur65:

Is a wall the only way to address problems at the border? Is it even the best way to address the current problems?

Great questions.

kingarthur65 · 2019-05-01T19:54:25.204Z

Oldandtired:

Amnesty bill. Never going to pass. You take that out and it would probably pass.

There a many things in S.744 that both sides would complain about, but that is usually the result of a compromise on both sides. I still think it’s a good place to start for a comprehensive immigration reform bill.