This is Pro Choice? Really?

[LucyLou]

@Janet_Miller

Where exactly is the mother’s choice being considered at all here?

“Your baby is incompatible with life. I recommend scheduling a termination.”

There is no here are your results—which weren’t even that patient’s results—you can consider

Researching Downs Syndrome and how to prepare for a special needs child

Looking into potential therapies

There was no mention of any choice available but the so called doctor’s. And that’s where I wish the so called pro choice movement and its adherents would just come right out and say how they really feel: they don’t support any choice that wouldn’t be theirs in the same situation.

This was not Downs.

[Borgia_dude]

@Janet_Miller

Where exactly is the mother’s choice being considered at all here?

Does the woman get to choose after the doctor gives a recommendation? Yes or no will suffice.

[SixFoot]

Cue the pro-baby-killers. lol

[Cynic]

The doctor told her the results before telling her there was an error…

[Janet_Miller]

Which is totally unprofessional on the doctor’s part. Were this more recent, that professional may be in trouble under HIPAA—if for no other reason accidental disclosure.

[Cynic]

You are all over the place. Have a good day.

[FlameHeart]

The issue is that doctors use the patients’ lack of knowledge and experience to exploit them and manipulate them into getting an abortion. It’s always best to get a second opinion before making a decision. (It may not be conscious manipulation, but it’s still manipulation.)

There are more and more doctors starting to be exposed for this kind of thing, as well as outright abuse- especially sexual abuse.

[FlameHeart]

The doctor can discharge the patient if they do not comply. Same if they want a procedure done, or a specific medication, and the doctor refuses to do/prescribe it. They will probably be referred out.

[JayJay]

@Janet_Miller

So no mix ups or lab errors take place now?

The point is to illustrate the fallacy of the term “incompatible with life”. And the fact that everyone from front office to lab employees to physicians screw up.

It also illustrates the fallacy of the pro choice movement. How is the statement “Your baby is incompatible with life. I recommend scheduling a termination” pro choice?

The “physician”’s disdain for those with handicaps comes through loud and clear.

Um…because the mother has the right to choose to heed the doctor’s advice or not.

This story would have more legs had the doctor brought in some orderlies, had her strapped down, and said “We’re aborting this fetus now”.

And the story tells us nothing of the doctor’s views…only how she chose to communicate the results of the tests.

[AlexMcAlpine]

@Janet_Miller

The blind, the physically handicapped, the feeble minded have no possibilities but a life of sheer Hell?

Combine them all together, which is what I had done, and yes.

Forget about being blind or deaf.

Would you really want to continue to live if you were a quadriplegic? Confined to your bed or wheelchair 24 hours a day. Have to be fed, Have to be cleaned up. Can’t talk. Can’t communicate.

Your parents may project on you that you’re happy because of the facial rictus that they identify as a smile…but to me that would be a living hell.

[Borgia_dude]

@FlameHeart

The doctor can discharge the patient if they do not comply. Same if they want a procedure done, or a specific medication, and the doctor refuses to do/prescribe it. They will probably be referred out.

So nobody is forcing a woman. They retain choice. Just like a pro-life ob-gyn would refer a woman who wanted an abortion elsewhere.

[gooddad409]

@Guvnah

Here’s Pro “choice” for you.

6th Circuit Panel Hears Arguments for KY Law Stopping Live Dismemberment of Unborn Babies

That’s right. Pro “choicers” argue against a law to stop dismemberment abortions after 11 weeks. Plenty of other ways to kill the child, of course, but they insist on the right to do it by dismemberment.

6th Circuit Panel Hears Arguments for KY Law Stopping Live Dismemberment of Unborn Babies - SBA Pro-Life America

There are certainly some cold blooded folks in this world.

[moonshine]

So 23 years ago some charts got switched and because of that 1 mistake abortion nEeds to be banned.

[Safiel]

I would also note that physicians have lied in the opposite direction to deliberate deprive women of a choice. Physicians have covered up diagnoses of Down’s Syndrome and other disorders so that the women would not get an abortion.

It works both ways.

[Guvnah]

Abortion for some deformity or shortcoming is rather harsh.

At its worst, we allow gender selection abortions (which primarily target female babies.)

The lib universe will fracture when science finds some sort of amniotic marker that indicates homosexuality.

[Janet_Miller]

The patient chooses what?

Doesn’t choice involve more than one possibility?

The physician hasn’t even sat down to double check if she has the right patient’s results, much less taken the time to tell her something like

You might use these tests to counsel with a geneticists who knows more to discuss options with you.

Or research the problem and look for any therapy for your child.

Or prepare for the arrival of a medically needy child. It’s up to you.

No, my problem is the physician has made it about what she would choose and not even offered any alternatives, sort of a Henry Ford choice “The customers can have any color car they want as long as it’s black.”

I understand abortion in those cases where potential death of the mother or a fatal defect of a child is involved. But shouldn’t calling oneself pro choice even in those scenarios involve more than one choice when possible, for example, using what time is left with a child with fatal alleles?

It just seems to me if pro choice is going to be the expression used, more than one choice should be offered. And, as in the linked article, it just doesn’t seem that’s the scenario.

[Borgia_dude]

@Janet_Miller

The patient chooses what?

Doesn’t choice involve more than one possibility?

The physician hasn’t even sat down to double check if she has the right patient’s results, much less taken the time to tell her something like

You might use these tests to counsel with a geneticists who knows more to discuss options with you.

Or research the problem and look for any therapy for your child.

Or prepare for the arrival of a medically needy child. It’s up to you.

No, my problem is the physician has made it about what she would choose and not even offered any alternatives, sort of a Henry Ford choice “The customers can have any color car they want as long as it’s black.”

I understand abortion in those cases where potential death of the mother or a fatal defect of a child is involved. But shouldn’t calling oneself pro choice even in those scenarios involve more than one choice when possible, for example, using what time is left with a child with fatal alleles?

It just seems to me if pro choice is going to be the expression used, more than one choice should be offered. And, as in the linked article, it just doesn’t seem that’s the scenario.

That some imagination you have there. What makes you think the doctor doesn’t go over options?

1. Can the patient choose to walk out or are they forced to have an abortion? YES or NO

2. Should all doctors and medical provided advise of options? It sounds like you think we should repeal the gag order.

[mobulis]

@Guvnah

Abortion for some deformity or shortcoming is rather harsh.

At its worst, we allow gender selection abortions (which primarily target female babies.)

The lib universe will fracture when science finds some sort of amniotic marker that indicates homosexuality.

Nope you guys are the ones who’s heads will blow.

[Janet_Miller]

Reread the article. That physician not only recommended termination, but scheduling it for the following day. Where’s the choice?

And it appears prospective parents aren’t even being informed of false positives in many of these tests. Where is the informed consent in these scenarios?

Women Are Aborting Their Babies Based On Incorrect Prenatal Test Results

[mobulis]

@Janet_Miller

Reread the article. That physician not only recommended termination, but scheduling it for the following day. Where’s the choice?

And it appears prospective parents aren’t even being informed of false positives in many of these tests. Where is the informed consent in these scenarios?

Women Are Aborting Their Babies Based On Incorrect Prenatal Test Results

So your telling us that they will perform the abortion even if the woman doesn’t want it?