The war on Venezuela (the war on drugs) (regime change)

[SixFoot]

I love watching people who’ve never been anywhere near a war boneheadedly try to define one.

[7426k]

@Samm

Boarding them requires that you have vessels near them when they are detected. And since their departures are unscheduled and from many locations, the Navy would have to have fast boats capable of chasing them down (the drug boats are high speed relatively small vessels) spread throughout the area.

Drones would do the trick.

[Samm]

@tnt

@Ben_Natuf

@tnt

told Bradley to order the strike

nope. as far as we know, Bradley advised and he approved.

That is not what Hegseth is saying now.

He is claiming Bradley was in charge of the mission start to finish

He is. That he defers to Hegseth when he is in the room does not change the standing orders. The highest rank in the room always gets that courtesy. And Bradley didn’t get to the rank of Admiral without recognizing who of those people who outrank him want to have their asses kissed. Hegseth quit obviously loves being in charge.

[Samm]

@tnt

What other criminals in international water are we allowed to summarily execute? Illegal fisherman? White collar ponzi schemers on their yachts?

You’re becoming desperately silly.

[Samm]

@7426k

Right. That seems like a great insight there, Samm. I’ll remember to use it later.

You’ll have to be in charge first.

[Gaius]

@JayJay

without having to consult Congress.

That is arguably a serious issue.

Let’s review:

• The argument that “We dont have teh right to blow up the drug boats” is wrong.
• This is not the sort of immidate threat that allows the president to act without Congressional approval → arguable true.
• Killing the survivors in the water is wrong. → Def a true statment, if that is what really happened.

See? It’s possible to disparae Donald Trump AND tell the truth at the same time.
When Donald Trump is truly wrong, one need not feign ignorance nor knowingly say untrue things.

[Samm]

@7426k

@Samm

Boarding them requires that you have vessels near them when they are detected. And since their departures are unscheduled and from many locations, the Navy would have to have fast boats capable of chasing them down (the drug boats are high speed relatively small vessels) spread throughout the area.

Drones would do the trick.

Drones? How can a drone stop and board a boat and apprehend the crew?

[7426k]

Is that boat going all the way to Miami without stopping, Samm? It’s not an oil tanker.

If only the US had assets - human and otherwise - up and down the West Indies.

[JayJay]

It is always enlightening the thinking that is revealed when one adopts the principle that ends justify means, and laws are just pesky little things that get in the way of ■■■■ getting done.

Reducing human beings to incidental also helps with this thought process.

Slay whom thy lord names as enemies, and to be content.

PS this reminds me an awful lot of the defensive ice when they brought all those people out from the apartment building and held them for hours in their bed. Clothes and underwear.. going so far as to blame those people for living in the same building as illegals.

[Samm]

@7426k

Is that boat going all the way to Miami without stopping, Samm? It’s not an oil tanker.

Nope, it’s not. It’s lying on the bottom of the Caribbean in a thousand pieces.

[Gaius]

@Samm

@7426k

@Samm

Boarding them requires that you have vessels near them when they are detected. And since their departures are unscheduled and from many locations, the Navy would have to have fast boats capable of chasing them down (the drug boats are high speed relatively small vessels) spread throughout the area.

Drones would do the trick.

Drones? How can a drone stop and board a boat and apprehend the crew?

[7426k]

Well that’s true actually Well played, sir.

[Samm]

@JayJay

It is always enlightening. The thinking that is revealed when one adopts the principal that ends justify means, and laws are just pesky little things that get in the way of ■■■■ getting done.

Reducing human beings to incidental also helps with this thought process.

Slay whom thy lord names as enemies, and to be content.

Here’s a thought. If cartel members don’t want to get blown up with their boats, they shouldn’t go out to sea in them.

(Irrelevant PS ignored and deleted.)

[7426k]

In this case it would be more like 15 minutes.

[tnt]

@Samm

The fact is, the Admiral overseeing the operation approved a second strike because the target had NOT been “destroyed” by the initial one.

When did he say that?

[tnt]

@Samm

@tnt

@Samm

Technically, stopping, boarding and taking the cargo and crew into custody on the high seas could be interpreted as piracy under international law. On the other hand, nobody (here) has identified an international law that illegalizes blowing boats belonging to criminal (designated as terrorist) organizations out of the water.

We can’t board them.

But we can blow them up.

What a position…

Boarding them requires that you have vessels near them when they are detected. And since their departures are unscheduled and from many locations, the Navy would have to have fast boats capable of chasing them down (the drug boats are high speed relatively small vessels) spread throughout the area. Blowing them up is much easier and more effective, does not put men at risk (intercepts would undoubtedly be met with resistance by the crews) and it’s probably cheaper as well.

Oh stop!

Your’s wasn’t a logistical argument.

You said we couldn’t board them because it might be:

@Samm

interpreted as piracy under international law.

But you think we can just blow them up instead!

[tnt]

@Samm

@tnt

What other criminals in international water are we allowed to summarily execute? Illegal fisherman? White collar ponzi schemers on their yachts?

You’re becoming desperately silly.

Can you answer the question?

[tnt]

@Gaius

The argument that “We dont have teh right to blow up the drug boats” is wrong.

What other criminals do we have the right to summarily execute?

[Gaius]

This guy comes to mind,
although he didn’t kill nearly as many as a boatload of fentanyl.

The boat guys are far worse than him.

[tnt]

I don’t know what that is.