The war on Venezuela (the war on drugs) (regime change)

Drug running is arguably an illegal act that is “dangerous to human life”, but I have seen no evidence that the intent is to affect government policy or to intimidate the civilian population.

Smuggling cigarettes into New York City would arguably meet the definition of an illegal act that is “dangerous to human life”, but the intent is make money by avoiding local taxes. Drug running appears to have a similar motive.

As used in this chapter—
(1)the term “international terrorism” means activities that—
(A)involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State;
(B)appear to be intended—
(i)to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii)to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii)to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C)occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the United States, or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum;
18 U.S. Code § 2331 - Definitions | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

Officers are free to resign if they disagree with the current policy. Encouraging servicemen to ignore illegal orders means they could face prosecution for mutiny and possible conviction if a court rules that the orders were valid.

Congress should act to clarify the situation, but I doubt that will happen.

and that is for the Congress to deal with. At some point, they will.

LOL, the process is “The President said so”, There really is nothing more to it than that.

you’ve shown nothing of the sort

It’s not a valid argument.

The POTUS can’t just label someone ‘terrorist’ and then have them killed.

That’s not how any of it works.

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Thats true, however, when that group is attempting incursions into the US, he can.

Attempting? They were thousands of miles away. In a slow ass boat. How do you know where they were going?

where did I ever claim I needed to know? None of us do, the people running the operation need to know that

when OBL was in his cave planning his attack if we had killed him it would have bee preventing an incursion. Would you have argued against that too… I mean since he wasn’t at the shore?

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You don’t decide the validity. Courts do. And yes, it’s sad that you support this.

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Maybe we should label cigarette smugglers as terrorists so we can blow up the houses of suspected cigarette smugglers instead of arresting them.

find any statement I have made in support of the action. You won’t find one. Just because I acknowledge an argument is valid does not mean I agree with it. As far as courts go, the courts have no authority to replace the President judgement with their own, and even less so in this instance since they have no war powers. The check here will have to come from the Congress.

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Think they could have traveled to the US without a fuel stop? Or maybe - crazy, i know - We could have interdicted them at a fuel stop. Or with another boat.

If they are illegal orders then there will be no action against those refusing to carry them out.

All Kelly did was remind service personnel that no one has to follow illegal orders. He was not saying do not follow orders, he was not saying procrastinate when given an order.

Lets be honest here, serving military have brains and capable of critical thinking.

Anyone who is using Kellys remarks to not follow orders I will bet anything already have behavioural issues or issues wity authority that have been documented.

Driving a boat of drugs to West Africa isn’t attempting an incursion.

Driving a boat of drugs to Miami isn’t either.

You are acknowledging an invalid argument.

That is supporting it.

LOL, now you now where they were going better than the people with intelligence assets! That’s cute

Yes, it literally is

LOL, now your the judge! Too funny.

It is a valid legal argument. Whether it i the MOST valid and would win in court has not been determined

Historically, most drug boats using these routes go to Africa.

No it’s not. It’s someone breaking our drug laws.

so what? I’ll trust the DIA

By conducting an incursion into the US

And like your fellow lib, you have no idea what I am referencing. I am not talking about ONE person.

Maybe you should use your Googly.

I think everyone but diehard Trump supporters understand why Trump is going after Venezuela.

This leads on CNN right now: https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/02/business/venezuela-oil-trump

Only diehard MAGAs believe Trump is going after Venezuela to keep us safe from drug traffickers.

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