The Star Spangled Banner

altair1013 · 2018-05-31T00:24:15.057Z

Dem:

What did the apes stand for in Planet of the Apes?

And how is referring to a black person as an ape no racist?

When I first heard what she said, I took it as a simple insult. The race angle did not occur to me at all until ABC fired her for it. I should have picked up on why it was considered to be racial, but I didn’t. That said, I think that a lot of highly creative people regardless of their political views straddle that edge of sanity a bit. Roseanne may be one of them.

SottoVoce · 2018-05-31T00:26:02.965Z

bootz:

Point is that given the investigation we should perhaps ponder what has become of our democracy and tolerance of artistic interpretation.

Not sure about the “artistic” part, but there’s a difference between a society being tolerant and being accepting. Society is tolerant of what she said. She hasn’t been lynched or tarred and feathered. She hasn’t been burned at the stake. And no, a private employee deciding to fire an employee because of socially questionable behavior does not approach any of those.

There is nothing that says a society has to accept the behavior. People have the right to be offended and act accordingly. If an artist decides to pee in a jar with a cross in it, people can be offended and not visit the artist or the gallery. If an “artist” says socially objectionable things, that same person can decide not to watch their show or the network that broadcasts it.

Our society is tolerant of opinions/“artistic interpretations,” but that doesn’t mean we have to accept them or the person conveying them.

Dem · 2018-05-31T00:31:32.150Z

Are you talking about hitting mainstream consciousness?

Because by the time the 70’s rolled around, Sc-Fi in literature was fairly popular. From sever different sci-fi mags, to short stories appearing in Playboy. By then, there had already been several heavy hitters active for decades, like Asimov, Heinlein, Dick, Clarke, Bradbury etc.

I will give you that it wasn’t probably till Star Trek, and then Star Wars, that Sci-Fi had become more mainstream with the average American.

bootz · 2018-05-31T00:36:09.030Z

1984, animal farm ………………………

WildRose · 2018-05-31T00:39:35.354Z

It was a minor genre with a small cult following prior to the mid sixties. Mostly the real interest in it was comic books and Jules Verne.

I think Star Trek more than anything put it into the mainstream more than anything else.

bootz · 2018-05-31T03:54:36.045Z

war of the worlds …

enki · 2018-05-31T04:07:47.522Z

altair1013:

Dem:

What did the apes stand for in Planet of the Apes?

And how is referring to a black person as an ape no racist?

When I first heard what she said, I took it as a simple insult. The race angle did not occur to me at all until ABC fired her for it. I should have picked up on why it was considered to be racial, but I didn’t. That said, I think that a lot of highly creative people regardless of their political views straddle that edge of sanity a bit. Roseanne may be one of them.

Are you trying to suggest that there was some deeper meaning to her tweet that we are all missing?

reflechissez · 2018-05-31T04:26:59.695Z

This thread was an excuse for the OP to start his own thread while hoping it wasn’t merged into the existing one on the same topic.

WildRose · 2018-05-31T04:28:28.668Z

Good one… .

WildRose · 2018-05-31T19:38:42.738Z

Bootz if you don’t delete that before the mod’s find it you’re not likely to be around long enough to figure the new format out.

bootz · 2018-06-01T20:18:00.439Z

In the OP I simply state that the Muslim Brotherhood is a political movement and an ideology is associated with it. I make the same claim for Planet of the Apes being a political satire. While different episodes may highlight different issues. There is no denying by ant thoughtful person that political messages are delivered.

this is not my interpretation it is widely written about, so here is a link that comments on each episode.

https://screenrant.com/war-planet-apes-politics-immigration-racism/

first paragraph follows.

“Let’s get one thing out of the way right up front: The Planet of The Apes franchise has always been political, and not just in the way that any story about dystopian societies are innately political. From the start, the Apes films (with the possible exception of the non-canonical Tim Burton-directed installment) have made an extra effort to frontload their narratives with pointed messages that often addressed the most controversial social topics of their day; in keeping with the common focus of the sci-fi genre of the era on using fantastical themes (see also: the original Star Trek, The Twilight Zone, etc) to symbolically explore real-world topics.”

Dem · 2018-06-02T00:38:03.039Z

I don’t know about small cult following. Maybe I’m just overestimating it, but I feel like Sci-Fi Pulp was pretty big. I mean, Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers are still names we hear even now.

SixFoot · 2018-06-02T00:41:06.833Z

They were naturally evolving when a higher life form tampered with the process. It’s funny, because it parallels our origins. lol

Drawz · 2018-06-02T00:53:31.051Z

WildRose:

Scifi was in it’s infancy in the seventies.

Not so much. The Golden Age was in the 30’s and 40’s, for example.

Call_me_Ishmael · 2018-06-02T02:07:22.399Z

sci fi was one of my favorite reading genres as a kid in the 60s. I recall reading Asimov and others. (History was my other favorite. )

The “space race” drove alot of the interest. But recall too that the Laser had just been invented in 1960 and so the “ray gun” and laser communicactions had become “real”.
Nuclear submarines, computers, satellites, space travel, etc etc all helped with the “suspension of disbelief” that sci fi needs to be interesting.

Drawz · 2018-06-02T02:56:07.492Z

Call_me_Ishmael:

The “space race” drove alot of the interest.

I think sci fi may have driven interest in going to space.

Drawz · 2018-06-02T03:02:09.772Z

Funny story I heard Neal DeGrasse Tyson tell once, he was a huge Star Trek fan as a kid, And out of all the advanced technology he saw on the show, phasers, warp drive, teleportation. The one thing he balked at were doors that knew when you were close and opened automatically.

WildRose · 2018-06-02T03:03:45.519Z

I’m sure it was a driving force, it certainly was for my generation.

Call_me_Ishmael · 2018-06-02T03:09:48.583Z

Drawz:

Call_me_Ishmael:

The “space race” drove alot of the interest.

I think sci fi may have driven interest in going to space.

On a more agreeable day, I’d say I agree.

Not to quibble about a small point … but I dont think it was interest that sci fi brought to space travel. It was the will to go into space that sci fi added. We can accomplish almost anything if we have a vision. Once we believe it is possible, we will not stop trying until we succeed. Sci fi gave us the vision, the belief that it is possible.

Parenthetically … this characteristic of man has some cultural and political implications too. For their nefarious and evil goals, Libs try to exploit it as well as the converse - preventing man from thinking so as to prevent him from doing.

Drawz · 2018-06-02T03:13:02.103Z

Good grief.