The Star Spangled Banner

Dem · 2018-05-31T00:10:08.447Z

WildRose:

Scifi was in it’s infancy in the seventies.

Well this isn’t true in the slightest. Or are you just referring to film? Sci-Fi was absolutely roaring in literature by the 70’s

WildRose · 2018-05-31T00:10:18.307Z

The Apes continued to evolve while Humanity as a result of our arrogance and stupidity had destroyed themselves as the dominant species on the planet and had then devolved to a point in development where the apes were pre holocaust.

I know you’re somewhat familiar with the series but you really should watch the original.

It was a profound piece of work that had a lot to do with changing people’s attitudes about where we were heading.

WildRose · 2018-05-31T00:12:24.108Z

It had been “roaring along” but basically making no gains from the 20’s onward.

POA, Star Trek, A Space Odyssey, and a few others really turned us on to it as a nation, and then Star Wars and CGI came along making it the dominant genre it has become since.

In the early 70’s though it was still in it’s infancy.

Blackwolf · 2018-05-31T00:14:20.582Z

Barr’s social critique falls apart without the Muslim Brotherhood part?

WildRose · 2018-05-31T00:14:58.155Z

It would fall apart without either.

Dem · 2018-05-31T00:16:36.000Z

It’s kinda hilarious. Out of all the attempts I’ve seen to show how the tweet isn’t racist. This one is my favorite.

Although, I do have to say. I’m a little disappointed bootz hasn’t given a clear answer as to how POA and VJ go together yet.

altair1013 · 2018-05-31T00:24:15.057Z

Dem:

What did the apes stand for in Planet of the Apes?

And how is referring to a black person as an ape no racist?

When I first heard what she said, I took it as a simple insult. The race angle did not occur to me at all until ABC fired her for it. I should have picked up on why it was considered to be racial, but I didn’t. That said, I think that a lot of highly creative people regardless of their political views straddle that edge of sanity a bit. Roseanne may be one of them.

SottoVoce · 2018-05-31T00:26:02.965Z

bootz:

Point is that given the investigation we should perhaps ponder what has become of our democracy and tolerance of artistic interpretation.

Not sure about the “artistic” part, but there’s a difference between a society being tolerant and being accepting. Society is tolerant of what she said. She hasn’t been lynched or tarred and feathered. She hasn’t been burned at the stake. And no, a private employee deciding to fire an employee because of socially questionable behavior does not approach any of those.

There is nothing that says a society has to accept the behavior. People have the right to be offended and act accordingly. If an artist decides to pee in a jar with a cross in it, people can be offended and not visit the artist or the gallery. If an “artist” says socially objectionable things, that same person can decide not to watch their show or the network that broadcasts it.

Our society is tolerant of opinions/“artistic interpretations,” but that doesn’t mean we have to accept them or the person conveying them.

Dem · 2018-05-31T00:31:32.150Z

Are you talking about hitting mainstream consciousness?

Because by the time the 70’s rolled around, Sc-Fi in literature was fairly popular. From sever different sci-fi mags, to short stories appearing in Playboy. By then, there had already been several heavy hitters active for decades, like Asimov, Heinlein, Dick, Clarke, Bradbury etc.

I will give you that it wasn’t probably till Star Trek, and then Star Wars, that Sci-Fi had become more mainstream with the average American.

bootz · 2018-05-31T00:36:09.030Z

1984, animal farm ………………………

WildRose · 2018-05-31T00:39:35.354Z

It was a minor genre with a small cult following prior to the mid sixties. Mostly the real interest in it was comic books and Jules Verne.

I think Star Trek more than anything put it into the mainstream more than anything else.

bootz · 2018-05-31T03:54:36.045Z

war of the worlds …

enki · 2018-05-31T04:07:47.522Z

altair1013:

Dem:

What did the apes stand for in Planet of the Apes?

And how is referring to a black person as an ape no racist?

When I first heard what she said, I took it as a simple insult. The race angle did not occur to me at all until ABC fired her for it. I should have picked up on why it was considered to be racial, but I didn’t. That said, I think that a lot of highly creative people regardless of their political views straddle that edge of sanity a bit. Roseanne may be one of them.

Are you trying to suggest that there was some deeper meaning to her tweet that we are all missing?

reflechissez · 2018-05-31T04:26:59.695Z

This thread was an excuse for the OP to start his own thread while hoping it wasn’t merged into the existing one on the same topic.

WildRose · 2018-05-31T04:28:28.668Z

Good one… .

WildRose · 2018-05-31T19:38:42.738Z

Bootz if you don’t delete that before the mod’s find it you’re not likely to be around long enough to figure the new format out.

bootz · 2018-06-01T20:18:00.439Z

In the OP I simply state that the Muslim Brotherhood is a political movement and an ideology is associated with it. I make the same claim for Planet of the Apes being a political satire. While different episodes may highlight different issues. There is no denying by ant thoughtful person that political messages are delivered.

this is not my interpretation it is widely written about, so here is a link that comments on each episode.

https://screenrant.com/war-planet-apes-politics-immigration-racism/

first paragraph follows.

“Let’s get one thing out of the way right up front: The Planet of The Apes franchise has always been political, and not just in the way that any story about dystopian societies are innately political. From the start, the Apes films (with the possible exception of the non-canonical Tim Burton-directed installment) have made an extra effort to frontload their narratives with pointed messages that often addressed the most controversial social topics of their day; in keeping with the common focus of the sci-fi genre of the era on using fantastical themes (see also: the original Star Trek, The Twilight Zone, etc) to symbolically explore real-world topics.”

Dem · 2018-06-02T00:38:03.039Z

I don’t know about small cult following. Maybe I’m just overestimating it, but I feel like Sci-Fi Pulp was pretty big. I mean, Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers are still names we hear even now.

SixFoot · 2018-06-02T00:41:06.833Z

They were naturally evolving when a higher life form tampered with the process. It’s funny, because it parallels our origins. lol

Drawz · 2018-06-02T00:53:31.051Z

WildRose:

Scifi was in it’s infancy in the seventies.

Not so much. The Golden Age was in the 30’s and 40’s, for example.