Agreed. Apparently the number of times the same dollar bill can be taxed is infinite.
no you don’t.
and no they aren’t.
The only thing that is transferred is the portion collected from the employee. States are exempt from the employer portion as states do not pay taxes. Any taxes.
Yes we do. (Budget)
Yes they are. (Paid)
Local/States employers are not exempt from FICA taxes. Local/State entities are exempt from revenue, sales, property, etc. taxes.
Two very different things.
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you are just wrong. States do not pay taxes and that includes FICA taxes. The only thing transferred is the employee portion of taxes collected from their wages.
I provided you with the rules which state that states are exempt from FICA taxes and that covered “employee wages” were taxed. The employee’s wages are taxed, the state is not. States do not pay taxes and no 218 agreement requires them to do so. What they do is allow the state to exact the employee portion from the employee’s wages and guarantee the employee is covered. They do not require the state to pay any tax, including the employer portion of FICA.
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Outside my own experience with Oracle, K12 Enterprise, and MUNIS - HR/Payroll systems.
Someone should inform ADP (very large Payroll as SAAS) and H&R Block (huge tax company) that they have been doing it wrong all these years.
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As Ron White said, you can’t fix stupid.
Those are the general rules for employers, of which states are exempt. Why would you think posting what walmart has to do would in any way proves what Wyoming has to do?
apparently not, as you two don’t seem to understand what “excepted” means or what “employee wages” are.
Those links (and images) were specifically about federal/state/local government employees and state that they have to pay the employee AND EMPLOYER portions.
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no they are not
there is nothing in either link about state governments paying FICA taxes. There is further nothing differentiating those links as links peculiar to state employees.
Ya’ll are funny.
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Finally! Yes, in chapter three is does say that under section 3111 state employers are responsible for paying the employer share of SS taxes unless it is otherwise exempted. I will assume the general exception in the SSA is not a blanket exemption and say…
I was wrong.
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So I wasn’t delusional as you said.
Thank you.
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not this time.
section 3111 does not however preclude that under 218 agreements states could not be exempted. I have nothing to show any are, so will assume they are not unless and until I see otherwise. Just like the exception stated that states were excepted from FICA but still collected the employee portion for covered employees was all I had seen until the link you posted stated in sec 3111 that states were responsible for paying the employer portion negating the exception.
NOTE: I disagree with the titles “Allowed” to join. Social Security for both private sector and public sector is mandatory unless the government entity opted out. The individual employee, from a public employer perspective, doesn’t have an option so there is really now “allowed to join”.
In the light blue states there is no “choice”. Individuals may qualify for some other type of indivdiual exception based on certain qualifying factors - such as a religious objections. But SS isn’t something that is a choice beyond choosing where to live and the type of employement.
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https://equable.org/where-are-state-local-workers-allowed-to-join-social-security/
https://equable.org/where-are-teachers-allowed-to-join-social-security/
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What do you mean “Finally!”? That was painful to even watch, but par.
Now go look up the definition of jurisdiction.
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You need to recheck because he is right. In some states when state employees are covered by a state pension the state employee and state only pay the medicare portion of their fica taxs.
Nope, I don’t need to recheck as that’s not what he said. And he was wrong. He said that government entities (federal/state/local) as employers don’t pay any tax (i.e. the employer portion). So that it was 6.2% paid by the employee and 0% paid by the government as the employer.
That is/was flat out wrong. Both the employee and employer pay the 6.2% in Social Security covered positions.
And yes, you are correct in what you state. If the government entity has opted out of Social Security and have gone totally with a local replacement pension system, yes they (both the employee and employer) pay the Medicare Tax. With what he said, and I paraphrase, “the government doesn’t pay any taxes” that would mean they don’t pay the Medicare tax either, which is incorrect.
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typical of you to troll.
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The amount that the employee pays into SS is the only thing that matters as far as fairness is concerned. In that regard it is exactly the same as the payments made when working for an employer who does contribute to SS. Furthermore, it is only the Federal Government that does not pay into SS. States and Municipality governments that do participate in the SS system do match employee contributions to the system.
