The science of search engines

reflechissez · 2018-09-22T19:10:33.980Z

Smyrna:

TheDoctorIsIn:

Why don’t you think Google’s search results are protected by the First Amendment?

Or, for the sake of clarity - why do you think Google’s search results are not protected by the First Amendment?

The First Amendment to the United States Constitution prevents Congress from making any law respecting an establishment of religion, prohibiting the free exercise of religion, or abridging the freedom of speech, the freedom of the press, the right to peaceably assemble, or to petition for a governmental redress of grievances. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, as one of the ten amendments that constitute the Bill of Rights.

IMO Google is “abridging the freedom of speech”.

Why do right wingers get this so wrong so often? The 1st amendment prevents the GOVERNMENT from abridging free speech. You and I can abridge free speech all day long.

Smyrna · 2018-09-22T19:24:22.736Z

TheDoctorIsIn:

What happens if Congress decides that your opinion is “unfair”?

Then there would be an explanation that I’m confident would be logical and I could then better understand my…faulty logic.

Smyrna · 2018-09-22T19:26:04.121Z

reflechissez:

Why do right wingers get this so wrong so often? The 1st amendment prevents the GOVERNMENT from abridging free speech. You and I can abridge free speech all day long.

Maybe we can but can a company that operates in the public that is in the service of speech?

TheDoctorIsIn · 2018-09-22T19:27:12.896Z

So you’re saying that you’re willing to give up your right to speak your mind, as long as the government makes a “logical” argument as to why it’s “unfair”?

You are welcome to self-censor yourself in pursuit of “fairness”, but I think you’ll find the vast majority of Americans will disagree with you.

TheDoctorIsIn · 2018-09-22T19:28:51.335Z

Smyrna:

Maybe we can but can a company that operates in the public that is in the service of speech?

Yes. Undoubtedly.

Thats how the first amendment works.

Smyrna · 2018-09-22T19:31:39.042Z

TheDoctorIsIn:

So you’re saying that you’re willing to give up your right to speak your mind, as long as the government makes a “logical” argument as to why it’s “unfair”?

You are welcome to self-censor yourself in pursuit of “fairness”, but I think you’ll find the vast majority of Americans will disagree with you.

If that’s what you interpreted out of our exchange…thanks…and have a super, duper day.

Smyrna · 2018-09-22T19:33:27.328Z

TheDoctorIsIn:

Yes. Undoubtedly.

Thats how the first amendment works.

They are protected to prohibit free speech by applying their product and do so in the name of free speech?

TheDoctorIsIn · 2018-09-22T19:35:09.499Z

As far as I’m concerned, that’s what you said. If I am incorrect, feel free to correct me.

But taking your ball and going home is just a concession that you’re in over your head and can’t actually respond.

reflechissez · 2018-09-22T19:35:13.882Z

Smyrna:

reflechissez:

Why do right wingers get this so wrong so often? The 1st amendment prevents the GOVERNMENT from abridging free speech. You and I can abridge free speech all day long.

Maybe we can but can a company that operates in the public that is in the service of speech?

Your argument doesn’t make sense. If the government owned the search engine, you might have a point.

CanadianJudo · 2018-09-22T19:36:34.041Z

You want the Government to regulate search engines?

TheDoctorIsIn · 2018-09-22T19:38:58.473Z

Yes.

If I called Breitbart tomorrow, and demanded that they publish a headline stating that Donald Trump eats babies, are they “denying my freedom of speech” by refusing?

BlueTex · 2018-09-22T19:40:49.574Z

Smyrna:

They are protected to prohibit free speech by applying their product and do so in the name of free speech?

Yes, they have a first amendment right to allow or not allow any kind of speech… This is not untested territory, it’s well established law…

Guntsu · 2018-09-22T19:44:04.700Z

Trump has really done a number on so called “conservatives”…asking for more govt regulation into private companies…truly Trumpers are forever victims.

Smyrna · 2018-09-22T19:53:06.717Z

TheDoctorIsIn:

you’re in over your head

I am and admitted that so I’m not going to waste time with someone who wants to purposefully twist what I made very clear. It’s a whole new ball game with the internet and a huge, dominant search engine such as Google. I see an inherent danger and there’s no question in my mind that it can be used for corrupt purposes that should have government restrictions legislating equal treatment.

TheDoctorIsIn · 2018-09-22T19:56:58.557Z

I see much more danger in the government deciding what is “fair”, and enforcing those decisions with the strength of law.

So did our Founding Fathers.

reflechissez · 2018-09-22T20:12:12.721Z

Smyrna:

TheDoctorIsIn:

you’re in over your head

I am and admitted that so I’m not going to waste time with someone who wants to purposefully twist what I made very clear. It’s a whole new ball game with the internet and a huge, dominant search engine such as Google. I see an inherent danger and there’s no question in my mind that it can be used for corrupt purposes that should have government restrictions legislating equal treatment.

You’re merely repeating your opinion without adding anything. What “danger” do you see?

kingarthur65 · 2018-09-22T20:32:40.241Z

Call_me_Ishmael:

So that google can use counter-countermeasures? Naaa. From what I’ve seen, my fellow conservatives have the ability to get the truth. I have my own methods. It is better if we don’t share. Then if Google implements something that blocks the truth from one of us, others will still have methods that work.

Nice try.

Stacking one conspiracy on top of another. You guys convince yourselves of these new conspiracies every day.

Guntsu · 2018-09-22T21:44:01.291Z

The “danger” is that it cannot possibly be true that Trump is disliked this much. Everyone knows what an honest and upstanding guy he is…

There must be some sinister act of manipulation of the masses from Google!

Jezcoe · 2018-09-22T21:50:41.977Z

I am curious as to what a “fair” search of Trump news would yield?

blueapplepaste · 2018-09-24T17:38:26.779Z

Call_me_Ishmael:

blueapplepaste:

Except you’ve done no such thing.

So its OK for you to call me a liar? Funny… the rules here seem to change frequently.

Another swing and a miss.