The sad state of so many public schools in America

It should.

There are social skill problems with attending a herd school
There are social skill problems with homeschooling.

Parents should not ignore that. You are correct.
But they should not ignore it aware of the fact that
→ for many centuries, the greatest minds were tutored privately in their homes and

→ The great minds of the Enlightenment, the Renaissance, etc., were better educated than herd school kids today.

Maybe --NOT-- learning who to be the coolest kid at the mall, or learning the latest handshake, was somehow a good thing for da Vinci and Newton and Robert Boyle, and Pierre Gassendi and thousands and thousands of others.

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The language in the quote you addressed points to an assumed “socialization” that has an agendized outcome. " … often go through a painful period of adjustment, learning unfamiliar social norms and cues, when they begin interacting with other peers …"

Kids, you need to rebel. You need to have your eyelid pierced and your hair dyed rainbow. Accept the social norms, or be called out by eggheads who decide what’s right for you. After all, you don’t want to be called a nerd in the high school hallway.

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What you have written is correct,
but it is not what I was referring to.

Many kids, 50%??, are strongly affected by the values and attitudes of the people they associate with.
– Mom wants the kid to learn math and science, love God, and go to college.
– Teacher wants the kid to learn math and science and go to college, but sets low expectations.
– Schoolmates want the kid to focus on dating, music, hanging out at the mall, playing video games, and chatting-up girls

There is at least 50% chance that, by the time the kid is 18, he will have been strongly influenced by the other kids.

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Many of the greatest minds in history were homeschooled, by parents or by tutors. Not learning tha latest dance step or the latest cool thing (lack of socialization) seems to have been a FEATURE, not a bug.

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I think we are just addressing different sides on the dice. In a way, so are those eggheads who want a kid’s “socialization” to shift a kid toward the nose-ring crowd.

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If only Socrates and Newton had been properly socialized into their societies to be like the standard of their time….

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Maybe this should be a bigger concern:

Gen Z is officially less intelligent than millennials and boomers, IQ drops

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LOL
Quite the revelation :zany_face:

We have known for decades that there is a correlation
between single parenting and low IQ children.

Children raised in a two-parent home have higher IQs than childen raised in single parent homes. (Not suprisingly, they also surpass their single-parented peers, on average, in just about every measure of academic outcome.)

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Of course someone will try blame it seed oil or jet contrails or whatever. But I think we know.

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i attended a herd school and am reasonably socialized.

Allan

I think cell phones and the proliferation of social media has far more to do with this than education systems. Our brains are turning to mush.

so did I
and I am a total dork.

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Yeah! Cordial idiots! They will make America great again! :laughing:

How many home schoolers stab a classmate or shoot up the school?

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Billy and Susie barely know how to read third grade material or do even simple math, but they have a lot of friends and play sports and get invited to parties.

Tommy and Sally are math wizzes doing advanced calculus and winning English composition contests, but outside competitions and church they don’t know a lot of other kids.

Who are learning more about being a productive adult? Billy & Susie or Tommy & Sally?

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Peer pressure and clicks and “bad influences” are a major cause of teenage angst and social and legal problems. In some cases, straight A grade schoolers can morph into drug addled drop-outs during middle and high school. And for the most part, particularly in high school, the parents can be completely unaware that it’s happening until serious damage has been done.

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Yep. Leonardo da Vinci never went to public school. :wink:

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Remote work = good
College degree by remote campus = good.

It seems to mean lot more learning can be done from home.
how hard can it be to get a trig teacher to teach via zoom?

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who would you want as a co worker?

i want someone with social skills.

bean counters are a dime a dozen.

a good co worker is not.

Allan

you are okay. i have met quite a few forumites over the years.

very few (like none) losers.

Allan

I want the co-worker who can read, write and do math. Good ol’ boys who tell jokes at work and are fun at parties are a waste of space.

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There’s also the concerns about the rise of bullying and drug use at public schools @biggestal99 seems to be ignoring as well:

New report details rise in bullying, drug use statewide New report details rise in bullying, drug use statewide

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