The Reverse Is Not True - Why Do Conservatives Tolerate Hate?


#165

Stalinist ideology proposes that socialism can exist in one country.

Trotsky and Lenin both disagreed. Permanent revolution exported From its cradle to the world was the only way forward.

Communist ideology is inherently internationalist in scope. “Workers of the world unite” is a call for the proletariat of the entire world to rise up against the Bourgeoisie and international capital.

Fascist seek the glory of their nation state. Not it’s eventual dissolution.


#166

Depends on when we are talking about the Democratic Party’s position.

In the 1990s and earlier 2000s, elected leaders of the Democrats favored securing the borders, opposed illegal immigration, and opposed the hiring of illegals.

The dem’s narrative has flipped since the days where Harry Reid said:

“If making it easy to be an illegal alien isn’t easy enough, how about offering a reward for being an illegal immigrant?” he asked.

“No sane country would do that, right? Guess again.

Hillary Clinton said:

“I am, you know, adamantly against illegal immigrants,” the then-New York senator said on the John Gambling show, adding: “We’ve got to do more at our borders. And people have to stop employing illegal immigrants.”

So this left, right tact is not a valid measuring stick.

Every government, and every citizen, in every nation should favor strong control over their immigration laws, and control over:

  1. who is allowed to enter their country

  2. who is allowed to avail themselves of taxpayer funded social welfare

  3. and when, how, and who is granted residency status or citizenship.

Everywhere, and everyone should be concerned, no matter their political ideology. Well, except for the Democrats here in the USA, apparently.


#167

If the types of political ideologies were arranged in a circle, rather than a straight horizontal line, fascism and Socialism would be side by side. Both ideologies are antithetical, the polar opposites of our nation’s Constitution.


#168

A View of the circle.


#169

No, they wouldn’t.

Communists, Marxists, Troksyites, and Leninists anyway (Stalinists and Maoists are different animals), seek the dissolution of the powers of the nation state (expressed through capital ownership) replaced with a society where the means of production are owned by the workers. At its core communism is a form of anarchism. The state ceases to exist. Marx was explicit about this.

Fascists push the glory of the state to its most extreme levels and tie it to race, creed, and land.

They are diametrically opposed ideologies. That’s why communists and facists often beat or kill each other at first sight.


#170

#171

Pretty much.


#172

Madison is on the same side as Chomsky? Your graph is a joke.


#173

Fascists and Nazis are opposed to egalitarianism. This is what places them on the right.


#174

Thank god for technology. So many black people deal with this ■■■■ every day.


#175

I didn’t even notice that.


#176

Their similarity, is that they are both forms of government which represent a completely authoritative, dictatorial system, where the people have no freedoms. In both governments, the state politicians and the bureaucrats have all the power and run supreme, the people have no say, they just do as they are told, or else.


#177

Not every incarnation of communist control was statist.


#178

You can find many on the right and the left as well as legal immigrants who agree the border should be tightened. Does that make everyone who agrees with tightening the borders a Trump supporter or a Nazi even if they are a Democrat?


#179

More like common sense.


#180

And what party founded the KKK again?


#181

You’re right! Nothing is right or left wing. There’s always people from both sides supporting both sides of each and every issue. Nothing is right/left!
:roll_eyes:


#182

You asked if it is left wing or right wing to secure our borders (or as you stated “tighten”). As if that is the only choice. It isn’t.


#183

The conservative one.


#184