The Rapture and the Real World: Mike Pompeo Blends Beliefs and Policy

[SottoVoce]

@WuWei

@SottoVoce

I disagree. I’m assuming you’re referencing the Declaration of Independence with the “Creator” reference. That term has a different meaning to Deists, of which Jefferson and Franklin belong.

What was their meaning?

Deists believe that God/Creator exists but only in so far as to create the universe and create natural law. God/Creator does not interact with the world after its creation. There is no such thing as the revealed “word of God,” such as the bible. Further, they reject the idea of religious dogma, prophecy and miracles. They do not believe Jesus was divine.

This deist influence is more apparent later in the Declaration of Independence, when the term “Nature’s God” is expressly used. This is a Deist term for the Creator.

[WuWei]

@NJBob

And that doesn’t change or refute what I posted.

Your interpretation.

[WuWei]

@Blackwolf

Winners and losers in terms of belief has nothing to do with it, and is a dance I’ll let you twirl others about with.

What interests me is Pompeo’s specific beliefs, and what effects they might have on US foreign policy. Are they in line with typical Evangelical eschatological beliefs, specifically the role/fate of Israel, Russia, and America?

Of course it does. Are you not building the argument that belief in rapture is worse than some other strongly held beliefs and that those believers are less suited for government service?

[WuWei]

@SottoVoce

Deists believe that God/Creator exists but only in so far as to create the universe and create natural law. God/Creator does not interact with the world after its creation. There is no such thing as the revealed “word of God,” such as the bible. Further, they reject the idea of religious dogma, prophecy and miracles. They do not believe Jesus was divine.

This deist influence is more apparent later in the Declaration of Independence, when the term “Nature’s God” is expressly used. This is a Deist term for the Creator.

Thank you. Can you provide some valid evidence of this please?

[SottoVoce]

@WuWei

@SottoVoce

Deists believe that God/Creator exists but only in so far as to create the universe and create natural law. God/Creator does not interact with the world after its creation. There is no such thing as the revealed “word of God,” such as the bible. Further, they reject the idea of religious dogma, prophecy and miracles. They do not believe Jesus was divine.

This deist influence is more apparent later in the Declaration of Independence, when the term “Nature’s God” is expressly used. This is a Deist term for the Creator.

Thank you. Can you provide some valid evidence of this please?

I can Google it for you.

Deism

[Blackwolf]

@WuWei

Are you not building the argument that belief in rapture is worse than some other strongly held beliefs and that those believers are less suited for government service?

No, I’m not especially interested in comparing Pompeo’s beliefs to others, and ranking them on a credibility scale. Why are you?

[WuWei]

Thanks, but I think this subject is a bit deep for wikipedia. I’ll look tomorrow.

[JayJay]

That’s a cool story bro.

[SottoVoce]

@WuWei

Thank you. Can you provide some valid evidence of this please?

Here’s a book on the subject if you’re interested.

Nature’s God: The Heretical Origins of the American Republic by Matthew...

[WuWei]

@Blackwolf

No, I’m not especially interested in comparing Pompeo’s beliefs to others, and ranking them on a credibility scale. Why are you?

I think that’s exactly what you’re trying to do.

I’m not.

[Borgia_dude]

@WuWei

@Borgia_dude

To reality.

Whose?

There is only one.

[Blackwolf]

@WuWei

I think that’s exactly what you’re trying to do.

I’m not.

Okay, thanks.

What are YOU trying to do?

[JayJay]

@SottoVoce

@WuWei

Thank you. Can you provide some valid evidence of this please?

Here’s a book on the subject if you’re interested.

https://www.theobjectivestandard.com/2018/09/natures-god-the-heretical-origins-of-the-american-republic-by-matthew-stewart/

Where’s WallBuilders when you need them?

[rolltide]

@WuWei

Fantasy. Huh.

Yeah, man-made FANTASY.

That’s all religion has ever been. The fact that so many have yet to come to their senses on this is sad.

[WuWei]

Have you read it?

[WuWei]

@rolltide

@WuWei

Fantasy. Huh.

Yeah, man-made FANTASY.

That’s all religion has ever been. The fact that so many have yet to come to their senses on this is sad.

Thank you for sharing your feelings.

[rolltide]

@WuWei

Thank you for sharing your feelings.

Not feelings. Logic.

[WuWei]

@Blackwolf

@WuWei

I think that’s exactly what you’re trying to do.

I’m not.

Okay, thanks.

What are YOU trying to do?

Understand. Discuss. Mostly why some strongly held beliefs are more acceptable than others to blend with policy. And why some people can overcome bias in their jobs and others can’t; apparently because of the nature of the strongly held belief. Compatibility questions as it were.

Newton and Descartes are ghosts in the room.

[WuWei]

@rolltide

@WuWei

Thank you for sharing your feelings.

Not feelings. Logic.

Interesting. Did you attend the University of Alabama?

I would suggest you read Righteous Minds by Haidt. You have much to overcome.

[NJBob]

@WuWei

@NJBob

And that doesn’t change or refute what I posted.

Your interpretation.

OK, you know what, I’ll give you that.