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And the modern media… who pays attention to it rarely.

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and I am talking about Capitalism compared to communism or socialism.

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Did he say “make YOUR company…”?

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I get that but in his/her world, Socialism isn’t state controlled, it’s collective ownership. I think most of us understand that’s a fantasy world, just trying to be fair because I like Fallen, just disagree with him/her. :smiley:

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I spent days writing a paper on this subject, I spent hours researching the history of slavery, and after such an effort i realized it was only private property rights that freed the developed world form institutional slavery. To have someone with the privilege of editing being so mal informed is a disservice to the forum.

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One is the hope. The other is the reality of the hope.

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I’ve spent the past 30 years studying Communism because I love politics. It’s a hobby. I agree that private property rights is the distinguishing factor between a great quality of life and human misery. That said, it’s fine for someone to come to a different conclusion, it’s our job to help inform them. I think it’s a testament to free speech that this forum allows someone with a different opinion than our host to be an active contributor here. Liberals tend to silence dissent, that’s not what we should be doing. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

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I would go so far as to say all human rights from the Magna carta and on stem from property rights. Hence the land of opportunity has an double entendre. for the yeoman farmer there was no luxury except freedom and independence.

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Because that’s what elitist wanted for themselves. Today libs use that to gain power so they can repress people themselves.

It’s a tool to gain power, once that individual or group of individuals gain power it becomes a threat to their existence. We are watching it play out at this very moment.

Libs used the idea of liberalism to gain power…now liberalism is a threat to THEM.

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I believe that further analysis is required. The backdrop is that kings and nobles held all the land. If Athens is the model they used then then education was a factor in their thinking. Also having a stake in the outcome such as land was considered important.

it is wrong to think of those that risked death for their beliefs as elites.

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If you look at how a virus operates, it is exactly how some enemy hostile to classical liberalism took over liberalism and used its machinery to produce copies of the hostile social pathogens.

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You’re a good man.

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Practicing law without a win?

He said “make”. And that, in a nutshell, is the problem.

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it puzzles me how anyone that risked life, limb and property can be called an elitist. It seems that elites are generally sheltered from risk. SMH

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In this case I’m referring too is mostly generational thing.

Ted Kennedy would be a prime example.

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That should be up to individual company…or should it be forced?

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I was going to respond to that but decided to scroll down little farther. :wink:

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You have long history here of advocating socialist form of government.

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No you’re arguing semantics.

It was easy enough to see he wasn’t using “make” in a “force the owner into making a change” but was talking about creating a company in this manner voluntarily.

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I’m not arguing anything. I’m simply ahead of him.