The Nordic Model of Healthcare

[gooddad409]

Have to call BS on that one. You can’t raise the spending needed for the estimates for instance for medicare for all (the national budget would have to be doubled it appears) and have more money in your pocket.

[gooddad409]

@WuWei

@adroit

We spend almost $11,000 per capita on health care expenditures.

No reasonable person can say we’d pay more, generally speaking, if we brought costs down to say $8-9,000 per capita.

That’s not how it works in your progressive schemes. “Per capita” is a useless term when dealing with libs.

All capitas don’t pay in.

And there it is! Exactly!

[gooddad409]

@WuWei

@adroit

@WuWei

That’s not how it works in your progressive schemes. “Per capita” is a useless term when dealing with libs.

All capitas don’t pay in.

It’s how expenditures are measured in a uniform way to account for population size. I’m not saying everyone pays the exact same. I’m saying the ■■■■■■■ numerator is going to be smaller, so it’d be asinine to assert that people would generally pay more.

"Per capita" costs are useless when 45% don’t pay but do take. You’re playing a shell game.

Summed up perfectly!

[gooddad409]

@adroit

@WuWei

@adroit

@WuWei

Per capita

The entire system will cost less. Yes. You’re arguing against paying less.

Keep on defending that $500 billion in administrative costs.

You don’t know that.

Of course we do. We know how much is spent on administrative costs regarding the process of billing and handling private insurance. Those would mostly go away with a single payer system.

That can and has been quantified. And that’s just a portion of the savings. Then there’s the negotiation power of a monopsony. Then there’s the savings from shifting cost of care from the most expensive avenues (ERs) to the most affordable avenues (GPs). Then there’s the efficiency gained from universal hospital budgets compared to the rent-seeking, lucrative inefficiencies of a fee-for-service system that doesn’t promote quality of care. Then there’s universal medical record standardization that reduces duplicated care.

So many wins that can be achieved with a single payer system.

Shell game.

[adroit]

@gooddad409

And there it is! Exactly!

They don’t all pay in now. How could it possibly be worse if we reduce the numerator by 20%?!

[adroit]

@gooddad409

Shell game.

Facts backed up by empirical data.

The for-profit, rent-seeking insurance industry is a ■■■■■■■ shell game.

[gooddad409]

@adroit

@gooddad409

Shell game.

Facts backed up by empirical data.

The for-profit, rent-seeking insurance industry is a ■■■■■■■ shell game.

It took me a while to figure the game out but i’m up to speed now.

45 percent would get their insurance free and the rest of us would get massive tax increases.

[adroit]

@gooddad409

It took me a while to figure the game out but i’m up to speed now.

45 percent would get their insurance free and the rest of us would get massive tax increases.

The majority of that portion already get ■■■■■■■ Medicaid or Medicare.

The rest get the most expensive care via the ER once their condition gets bad. Consumers who have insurance already have those costs passed to them by the hospitals. It’d be much more efficient to give them access to more affordable, preventative GP care.

The 45% argument doesn’t make any ■■■■■■■ sense.

[gooddad409]

The jigs up. We figured it all out.

[adroit]

@gooddad409

The jigs up. We figured it all out.

Dunning-Kruger in action.

You’re not even wrong.

[Borgia_dude]

I always find it telling that one side of the conversation brings facts and data and the other side traffics in one or two lines of platitudes.

[Striker840]

Your looking big picture, some are arguing smaller picture. My only question is IF we move to single payer, will my monthly tax to support this be less or more than what I currently pay per month for my current medical, dental, and vision coverage. That is what it boils down to for many.

Well I have others, but for this moment that is my main question.

[adroit]

@Striker840

Your looking big picture, some are arguing smaller picture. My only question is IF we move to single payer, will my monthly tax to support this be less or more than what I currently pay per month for my current medical, dental, and vision coverage. That is what it boils down to for many.

Well I have others, but for this moment that is my main question.

That’s literally impossible to determine on a per-person basis because there are many variables. What do you pay? What are your co-pays, deductibles, prescription drug costs, on-going medical needs, etc? How much does your employer pay? What tax bracket are you in?

The bottom line is, over all, our system will cost less. We could absolutely tailor the funding in a way that the vast majority of people and businesses would keep more money in their pockets.

[WuWei]

@adroit

We could absolutely tailor the funding in a way that the vast majority of people and businesses would keep more money in their pockets.

No, you can’t.

[STODR]

Lol almost impossible to figure out but it will be less.

It is funny how libs blame the government for taking 20 days to find out if a kid is a citizen but trust them to take over healthcare for 340 million.

[mobulis]

@STODR

Lol almost impossible to figure out but it will be less.

It is funny how libs blame the government for taking 20 days to find out if a kid is a citizen but trust them to take over healthcare for 340 million.

Sorry but its based on who’s potus, I wouldn’t trust trump to take over healthcare for 340 million either.

[WuWei]

@STODR

Lol almost impossible to figure out but it will be less.

It is funny how libs blame the government for taking 20 days to find out if a kid is a citizen but trust them to take over healthcare for 340 million.

“It will be less, TRUST ME”

[Borgia_dude]

@WuWei

@STODR

Lol almost impossible to figure out but it will be less.

It is funny how libs blame the government for taking 20 days to find out if a kid is a citizen but trust them to take over healthcare for 340 million.

“It will be less, TRUST ME”

Apparently you believe America is the dumbest first world nation out there.

[WuWei]

@Borgia_dude

Apparently you believe America is the dumbest first world nation out there.

Only parts of it.

[Borgia_dude]

@WuWei

@Borgia_dude

Apparently you believe America is the dumbest first world nation out there.

Only parts of it.

How about if we don’t let the dumbest parts design our healthcare system? If every other first world nation can do it, why not the US?