The lies of our Socialists running for office will now take center stage

[mobulis]

@gooddad409

@AynRand

That’s excellent advice. My last surgery took place abroad for a tenth of the price. Excellent surgeon. Spent the rest of the week touring the city. After buying gifts for family and paying extra for an extra bag, I still saved in the low four figures.

Medical tourism turns out to be a thing.

Good. That means we both came out happy.

I suggest all dissatisfied with excellent US health care do what you did.

So we shouldn’t make US health care cost less. Got it.

[westaussie]

It may be news to you but under the current resident of the White House the USA has taken refugees, who sought refugee status in Australia, and have been settled in the USA.

[westaussie]

As a matter of interest how much would it cost to be treated for a heart attack in the USA?

[westaussie]

Please let me paraphrase. “If the facts don’t fit my point of view, I choose to go to a place where alternate facts are allowed.”

[westaussie]

Was there an implication contained within your post that if the person does not have the wherewithal to do as you suggested that you would provide the finances?

[johnwk2]

@fallenturtle

@johnwk2

@sikofit

@highroller

’m trying to pin down what the hell you’re talking about.

Good luck with that one

I thought I was being perfectly clear when writing:

To be accurate, the significant feature of capitalism is the investment and manipulation of capital to achieve an anticipated profit and/or goal.

Communist and Socialist governments practice capitalism. Under government capitalism, taxation is used to confiscate private “capital” which is then re-invested to achieve government goals. But under our Constitution, those “goals” are defined and limited beneath Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1 ____ limitations which our federal government has transgressed, and in so doing, has all but destroyed our once free enterprise, free market system.

Do you really have difficulty understanding the written word?

JWK

Almost every definition of capitalism mentions in the first sentence that it involves PRIVATE ownership by individuals and/or companies. You aren’t arguing in a bubble, dictionaries and encyclopedias exist.

“Communist government” is an oxymoron. Once communism is achieved, there is no formal government.

By definition, a government can’t engage in capitalism. When the public sector is engaging in the market its called Market socialism: Market socialism - Wikipedia

What you’re describing is literally just referred to as government spending: Government spending - Wikipedia

Karl Marx popularized the word “capitalism” __ a word not used by our founders __ to attack the free market system our founders created. Why do so many talking heads refer to our system as “capitalism” rather than a free market system which our founders created? Do they fear and recoil from the word “free’ as in people being free to mutually agree in their contracts and associations?

Because we definitely have a capitalist system and our market is regulated, not free.

ABC

What does your post have to do with the definition I gave of “capitalism”?

I wrote:

To be accurate, the significant feature of capitalism is the investment and manipulation of capital to achieve an anticipated profit and/or goal.

JWK

Karl Marx popularized the word “capitalism” __ a word not used by our founders __ to attack the free market system our founders created. Why do so many talking heads refer to our system as “capitalism” rather than a free market system which our founders created? Do they fear and recoil from the word “free’ as in people being free to mutually agree in their contracts and associations?

[gooddad409]

@westaussie

As a matter of interest how much would it cost to be treated for a heart attack in the USA?

No idea. I do know you don’t get delayed care here as in many single payer nations.

[gooddad409]

@westaussie

Was there an implication contained within your post that if the person does not have the wherewithal to do as you suggested that you would provide the finances?

You really need to learn how to comprehend english if that’s what you got out of that.

[westaussie]

I didn’t realise I needed to tell you I was being sarcastic.

[mobulis]

@gooddad409

@westaussie

As a matter of interest how much would it cost to be treated for a heart attack in the USA?

No idea. I do know you don’t get delayed care here as in many single payer nations.

Would you tell my doctor that cause it takes weeks to get an appointment.

[gooddad409]

You need another Dr then.

[westaussie]

Let me ask a simpler. Would the person need to pay any money at all?

[gooddad409]

@westaussie

Let me ask a simpler. Would the person need to pay any money at all?

Of course. They do under single payer as well. It’s called taxes(high taxes) in those places.

p.s. I say they do in general. I don’t even have to pay copays myself.

[westaussie]

A person who is admitted to a hospital in Australia with a suspected heart attack does not need to pay any money whatsoever for their treatment.

[gooddad409]

@westaussie

A person who is admitted to a hospital in Australia with a suspected heart attack does not need to pay any money whatsoever for their treatment.

They more than pay for it in extra taxes.

[westaussie]

That is just not true. Getting treatment for a suspected heart attack is not based on whether one has paid taxes.

[gooddad409]

@westaussie

That is just not true. Getting treatment for a suspected heart attack is not based on whether one has paid taxes.

Oh my gosh. You never cease to amaze. Your country as a whole pays for single payer through taxes.

There’s no such thing as a free lunch.

[westaussie]

Your post didn’t amaze me despite its content.

[fallenturtle]

@johnwk2

What does your post have to do with the definition I gave of “capitalism”?

I wrote:
To be accurate, the significant feature of capitalism is the investment and manipulation of capital to achieve an anticipated profit and/or goal.

JWK

Because a more significant feature of capitalism is private ownership and you followed your “definition” with a paragraph that missuses the word capitalism by ignoring that significant feature.

@johnwk2

Karl Marx popularized the word “capitalism” __ a word not used by our founders __ to attack the free market system our founders created. Why do so many talking heads refer to our system as “capitalism” rather than a free market system which our founders created? Do they fear and recoil from the word “free’ as in people being free to mutually agree in their contracts and associations?

Because we definitely have a capitalist system and our market is regulated, not free.

HUW

[AynRand]

Yes, his argument seems to be that he is happy with his experience with U.S. health care, even though it is prohibitively expensive compared with health care of similar quality in other countries, and if you don’t like that reality, then go fly somewhere else.

I find his position to be strange.