The house select committee on Jan 6 Pt 2

[TheDoctorIsIn]

@thinkingman

it’s not a “leak” it’s someone for whatever sake setting the record straight, against a far fetched testimony

“A source close to the secret service.”

What do you think a leak is?

[Samm]

@once-ler

@Samm

What difference does it make what he thought he was going to do?

Some crimes fail. They are called attempted crimes and they are punishable.

Planning to go to the Capitol is not a crime regardless of what anybody thinks they know about what Trump thought he would do when he got there. Motive, opportunity, means. The trifecta of criminal investigation. Trump might have had a motive, but his opportunity was denied him, and he did not have the means to carry out his presumed motive. There was no credible attempt to comit a crime.

[margaretms2]

@Ben_Natuf

means a lot if your trying to determine whether what someone says carries any credibility beyond that they were told it. but you go right ahead denying that. i see that hearsay has credibility with you… if its what you want to believe.

As she testified under oath, I am inclined to believe her testimony that a person she worked with said something to her.

[It_s_Carla]

Another funny one i remember is when he was buying that golf course in Scotland and wanted a local man’s land that was adjacent to the course.
The guy wouldn’t sell so Trump proceeds to launch a local and national (uk) smear campaign against him. I remember him saying the guy was filthy living in unsafe unsanitary conditions and should be evicted i think he even tried to petition parliament to remove him.
Guy was a farmer a normal local farmer, who never done nuthin on no one…sooo bizarre.

[It_s_Carla]

Even in the mid eighties I always remember a story that was quite big at the time as it involved a well known newscaster Selina Scott from BBC or ITV news.
She was doing a detailed interview with and about Trump. Well he came onto her in a big way saying she looked like Princess Diana (which she kinda did), she rebuked him laughed at the idea of a brash dumb bs artist thinking she’d be remotely interested in him.
The rejection didn’t go so well and he started sending her vicious letters threatening to sue her.
It became like harrassment and she threatened legal action.
He continued to publicly defame and slag her off long after the fact. Just wouldn’t let it go.
She called him the combover creep who hates women lol.
Sounds kinda familiar eh.

[Samm]

@FreeAndClear

@Samm

@FreeAndClear

@Bosun

Double hearsay at the water-cooler . give me a break, man.

It’s not double hearsay. It’s not a court room. It’s judt hearsay

It’s a Congressional Hearing, not children’s story hour. People testify under oath.

And that’s relevant to the legal definition of hearsay how exactly? Oath and hearsay have nothing to do with each other. But okie.

You are right. Hearsay is not evidence. In a court of law, it would be excluded. That just goes to prove the accusation … this is a witch hunt, with no pretense of fairness.

[JayJay]

@Ben_Natuf

i believe anyone who testifies to something they were told by someone else that another someone else said or did should not be testifying at all. its just not credible.

And yet it happens in courtrooms all the time.

For a variety of reasons.

[Ben_Natuf]

once again you’re confused. i’ve said nothing about her credibility, I’ve said her testimony about what one person told her another person said or did is not credible. it establishes nothing.

[thinkingman]

@margaretms2

It’s not even a matter of narrative;

you literally wrote an actual narrative. like, as a writer. lol.

@margaretms2

It doesn’t matter. Hutchinson did not say that he did either of those things.

yes i know i never said otherwise.

@margaretms2

No one is questioning the credibility of Alexander because it doesn’t really matter (coulda been any number of equivalently high-profile reporters).

i also know. but it’s compelling. remember, this isn’t a courtroom. it’s a political showcase showdown on the “Narrative is Right”

@margaretms2

They are offering to come in and testify under oath to refute something that Hutchinson literally didn’t say

they refute her message. the issue is not whether she said it or not

[margaretms2]

@Ben_Natuf

the only thing you could testify to is that person x said person y said… its just not credible to establish anything other than person x told you something you did not witness and cannot testify to. it has no value.

YES!

its just not credible to establish anything other than person x told you something you did not witness and cannot testify to.

We agree. And no one here is saying (at least under oath) that it does anything more than that. That’s it. That’s all. We’ve actually been saying this over and over.

[Samm]

@FreeAndClear

@DougBH

@Samm

@FreeAndClear

@Bosun

Double hearsay at the water-cooler . give me a break, man.

It’s not double hearsay. It’s not a court room. It’s judt hearsay

It’s a Congressional Hearing, not children’s story hour. People testify under oath.

Apparently they testify under oath that they heard rumors.

Exactly! Which is admissible in a congressional hearing but not in a court room.

Clown show, not hearing.

[WuWei]

Trump is lot of things. A lot of bad things. Racist isn’t one of them.

[thinkingman]

@margaretms2

The testimony was that a person said something to her. That’s it. Why would that be far-fetched?

what was said through the grapevine is what is far fetched. trump grabbing ss agents etc. it’s like frkn blasey nutcase ford and co again and the farting gang rape crap

[Ben_Natuf]

when did i deny that? you guys are confused.

[WuWei]

Have you never been around a wealthy person.

[margaretms2]

Her only message was that someone said something to her.

[thinkingman]

@margaretms2

Her only message was that someone said something to her.

then NBC sez they got a source that calls bs on what she sez they sez

[TheDoctorIsIn]

@Ben_Natuf

once again you’re confused. i’ve said nothing about her credibility,

Ok…

@Ben_Natuf

I’ve said her testimony about what one person told her another person said or did is not credible.

So… you’re noy saying anything about her credibility - except that she’s not credible?

[margaretms2]

@Ben_Natuf

when did i deny that? you guys are confused.

Oh yeah, definitely

[Samm]

@Camp

Do you think our fact checkers would let it go if it wasn’t?

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That’s a pretty astounding record. He should take a trip to Vegas.