The future for many American businesses Democrat style!

[Jezcoe]

@zantax

@Jezcoe

@STODR

Raise the rent to market value.

The market value rents are not affordable.

Now what?

There is a homeless problem. Giving people stable free or affordable housing is the best way to start to solve the problem. There is no need to add on a bunch of paternalisitic bull ■■■■ on top of it.

Because everyone else paying steep rent they can barely afford wouldn’t decide they might want free housing as well.

I can afford nice housing. Why would I want to have housing that is meant to stabilize the lives of homeless people?

[Jezcoe]

@zantax

@Jezcoe

@Striker840

@Jezcoe

@STODR

Why pay them, do other people get paid if they straighten things up around their rental? Now you want the government to pay for their housing and pay them for what lots of renters already do. Like I said you are the problem. You are a facilitator.

If you want people to labor… pay them.

I don’t know why this is controversial.

They ARE getting paid, lower/no rent.

That isn’t payment.

It is the same nonsense that if someone is getting Food Stamps they should have to work a certain amount of hours for the State.

All it accomplishes is to make poverty look like it is a individual moral failing instead of a failure of our economy.

Right, how we can blame them when there are no jobs available.

Or the jobs don’t pay enough to cover the cost of being alive.

[WuWei]

@Jezcoe

People should take responsibility of their surroundings.

@Jezcoe

Making it mandatory or you will lose housing is paternalistic bull ■■■■■

See the problem?

[WuWei]

@Jezcoe

All it accomplishes is to make poverty look like it is a individual moral failing instead of a failure of our economy.

How is it a failing of the economy?

[Steel-W0LF]

@FreeAndClear

@zantax

@FreeAndClear

@BraveGear

@TheDoctorIsIn

No, that’d be the FBI Uniform Crime stats.

The FBI has about as much credibility these days as the Babylon Bee.

When exactly did they lose credibility for you? Give me a date but think about it

When I looked into their sordid history, back in the early nineties I think it was.

Not the warrantless wiretapping of Americans?

Ruby Ridge here.

[zantax]

@Jezcoe

@zantax

@Jezcoe

@Striker840

@Jezcoe

@STODR

Why pay them, do other people get paid if they straighten things up around their rental? Now you want the government to pay for their housing and pay them for what lots of renters already do. Like I said you are the problem. You are a facilitator.

If you want people to labor… pay them.

I don’t know why this is controversial.

They ARE getting paid, lower/no rent.

That isn’t payment.

It is the same nonsense that if someone is getting Food Stamps they should have to work a certain amount of hours for the State.

All it accomplishes is to make poverty look like it is a individual moral failing instead of a failure of our economy.

Right, how we can blame them when there are no jobs available.

Or the jobs don’t pay enough to cover the cost of being alive.

Nonsense. You just need roommates. The homeless are homeless because they won’t work and are bad roommates. Illegals can figure it out and split houses ten ways, because they aren’t spoiled first worlders

[Gaius]

@zantax

@Jezcoe

@zantax

@Jezcoe

@Striker840

@Jezcoe

@STODR

Why pay them, do other people get paid if they straighten things up around their rental? Now you want the government to pay for their housing and pay them for what lots of renters already do. Like I said you are the problem. You are a facilitator.

If you want people to labor… pay them.

I don’t know why this is controversial.

They ARE getting paid, lower/no rent.

That isn’t payment.

It is the same nonsense that if someone is getting Food Stamps they should have to work a certain amount of hours for the State.

All it accomplishes is to make poverty look like it is a individual moral failing instead of a failure of our economy.

Right, how we can blame them when there are no jobs available.

Or the jobs don’t pay enough to cover the cost of being alive.

Nonsense. You just need roommates. The homeless are homeless because they won’t work and are bad roommates. Illegals can figure it out and split houses ten ways, because they aren’t spoiled first worlders

I’ve done a lot of work with the homeless (church meals etc.),
AND I once spent a year working the overnight shift in a comveninece store in one of the worst parts of Phoenix.

I’ve had homeless to my house many times for showers, laundry and sometimes for months at a time while they tried to get bck on their feet.

The homeless are homeless because they don’t work.
65-85% of homeless are addicted and/or have a different mental illness and/or have extensive crominal records (typically a long string of small-time stuff) which prevents them from working.

Able-bodied, normal minded people can and do wind up homeless, and once you lose your wallet and IDs it can take 3-6 mos to get back, (it begins with getting a mailing address and reordering your birth certificate,) but 3-6 mos is pretty much it.

[DMK]

@STODR

You are right it is not affordable for some. Yes 2-3 hours a week to help keep the place nice would go along way to make them more acceptable. It is not unreasonable or unrealistic they can’t do it.

You are part of the problem not expecting people to take some responsibility for their surroundings.

Plus, it gives people a sense of pride and ownership. Condo’s have rules and regulations for keeping things nice, neighborhoods have rules and regulations for keeping things nice so why anyone would think just because you’re poor that you can’t lift a finger to do the same is beyond me.

Not only that, but if these rules are in place and the area is well kept, nice and clean I think there would be a lot more acceptance of public housing.

[DMK]

@Jezcoe

People should take responsibility of their surroundings. Making it mandatory or you will lose housing is paternalistic bull ■■■■■

No, it isn’t. It’s called responsibility. Joe’s kid brings drug dealers around and likes to graffiti the building. Joe either gets his kid under control or Joe loses his public housing. The rest of the tenants are safer and can be assured they won’t live in a crime infested building.

[DMK]

@Jezcoe

That is not it at all. Putting strings on something creates a barrier for it’s use.

LOL, I don’t know what world you live in but try that in a residential neighborhood. Try not mowing your grass and letting weeds grow 6’ tall.

That you think putting effort into your living conditions for both yourself and your fellow residents shouldn’t be required speaks to why places like this turn into a dump.

[WuWei]

Who mows the grass in Central Park?

[DMK]

@Jezcoe

If you want people to labor… pay them.

I don’t know why this is controversial.

Should they be paid to clean their apartment? Pay them to wash their clothes, change their sheets?

[WuWei]

@DMK

@Jezcoe

If you want people to labor… pay them.

I don’t know why this is controversial.

Should they be paid to clean their apartment? Pay them to wash their clothes, change their sheets?

Take a bath? Not do drugs?

[BraveGear]

How civilized people create a ‘Flash Mob’.
No broken windows, nothing stolen, no one hurt.

Buitengebieden

[Jezcoe]

@DMK

@Jezcoe

If you want people to labor… pay them.

I don’t know why this is controversial.

Should they be paid to clean their apartment? Pay them to wash their clothes, change their sheets?

Should they be forced to labor for a certain amount of time or be thrown out of housing?

That is the real question.

If they are failing to care for themselves or their surroundings… eviction is not the answer.

[WuWei]

@Jezcoe

If they are failing to care for themselves or their surroundings… eviction is not the answer.

What is the answer?

[Optrader]

@conan

Need to install gas. Something that puts em down. Store clerk puts on his respirator mask, lock the door and hit the switch to release gas. Sleeping agent of some kind they gives em a nasty hang over would work just fine.

And when they wake up have them publicly flogged to death. One or two such examples would solve the problem nation wide.

[DMK]

Hey, all you gotta do is just ask and see how well it works out.

https://ussanews.com/2022/08/21/man-beaten-to-death-by-criminal-freed-8-days-earlier-judge-made-him-promise-not-to-commit-any-more-crimes/

[Optrader]

@TheDoctorIsIn

@EternalVigilance

You don’t, actually. You’re mocking this thread, just like every other typical progressive that won’t ever actually be impacted by lax law enforcement policies. We don’t want this idiocy spreading to our areas.

I absolutely am mocking this thread, and I will continue to do so.

Where do you think I live?

In a cave somewhere detached from reality.

[DMK]

@Jezcoe

Should they be forced to labor for a certain amount of time or be thrown out of housing?

Invest in keeping the area clean? Sure, why not?

And yes, if they refuse to do so make room for someone who is grateful for the opportunity.