The Department of Education turns 40 this month

Samson_Corwell · 2019-10-07T13:52:18.440Z

Patrick:

Samson_Corwell:

Because “we” already believe that it is worthwhile.

In that case, would you favor firing teachers in local schools in order to hire more bureaucrats in Washington? More bureaucrats in Washington is better than more teachers at the local level, right?

No, but I’m sure that you know that that is NOT what I am referring to.

AmusedObserver · 2019-10-07T14:55:54.805Z

Tangible08:

You do realize that the counties that are beating us in education have national education systems? You can’t on one hand rail against the Federal government as being inherently incapable while pointing to Federal governments that are capable.

That Americans pick the wrong people for the job does not mean the job can’t be done,

There was a poster on this (or the former, don’t recall) board who scoffed at the idea that the US could learn something from the Finnish education system.

bigtwnvin · 2019-10-08T18:45:02.519Z

Considering what you say is true (state funding), why then the need for a federal “Department of Education”? Why can’t states manage the education of their residents without federal intervention?

WuWei · 2019-10-08T18:53:04.208Z

“States” must be eradicated. Submit.

Cratic3947 · 2019-10-08T18:53:41.656Z

Obviously not…

Cratic3947 · 2019-10-08T18:55:48.127Z

The last thing the left wants to do is learn from the Finnish school system. They would have to fire almost all our teachers. You need a PHD to teach even grade school there, as far as I know…

SpacemanSpiff · 2019-10-08T20:19:12.385Z

Is there anything out there saying they can’t get a loan from a private bank?

SpacemanSpiff · 2019-10-08T20:22:14.327Z

Oh, and the American taxpayers funded 100% of my college education. Well, except for $1,200 dollars of it.

Patrick · 2019-10-08T20:51:11.749Z

Samson_Corwell:

No, but I’m sure that you know that that is NOT what I am referring to.

My thinking has changed. I think we should increase the DoED budget ten-fold. Local districts are too stupid to educate our children. We need to strip their funding and send it to Washington, where it will do some good.

Patrick · 2019-10-08T20:52:15.064Z

SpacemanSpiff:

Is there anything out there saying they can’t get a loan from a private bank?

Banks are evil. They’re just in it for the money. They can’t be trusted to do the right thing. Only government should issue loans because only government is good.

Patrick · 2019-10-08T20:53:02.110Z

Cratic3947:

The last thing the left wants to do is learn from the Finnish school system. They would have to fire almost all our teachers. You need a PHD to teach even grade school there, as far as I know…

The Europeans are much more enlightened than us. We need to be like them with everything.

Samson_Corwell · 2019-10-08T21:15:20.169Z

Patrick:

Has it been worth it? The budget this year is $70+ billion. We’re probably on the hook for a couple trillion over the 40 years. Has it been worth the investment? Did the creation of this agency improve the quality of education in America?

My suspicions have been reinforced: Patrick is a disingenuous ■■■■ poster.

Patrick · 2019-10-08T22:04:19.269Z

Samson_Corwell:

My suspicions have been reinforced: Patrick is a disingenuous ■■■■ poster.

Nobody here is as dishonest as you.

Eagle-Keeper · 2019-10-08T22:45:31.729Z

WildRose:

They all had nationalized education systems 40 years ago when we were on top.

Having a national system has nothing to do with how well their students are performing vs hours.

We graduating a lot of HS Seniors that are barely competent at an 8th grade level.

Maybe we need to set some hard standards and teach accordingly and actually fail the little darlings when they fail to meet those standards instead of massaging their egos and pushing them out the door with a diploma that means little more than that they showed up?

Academic success is significantly a product of who a child’s parents are and how they are raised. Inner city schools have the same outcomes decade after decade because the quality of the parents don’t change. And it’s no surprise that US academic performance is in decline as the number of children born in the United States in poverty and or to a single mother is almost 50%. (Welfare now accounts for almost 50% of all US births)

Eagle-Keeper · 2019-10-08T22:53:09.816Z

WildRose:

What are we getting for our money after spending hundreds of billions of dollars on the DOE budget for the last 40 years that makes it worthwhile to the US taxpayers?

What is the DOE doing that couldn’t be done better and more cheaply by simply dividing up their entire budget and sending it to the states in the form of education grants?

Completely agree. Federal department of education is a complete waste of money. The fact is though as a former educator I can tell you that a lot of the ■■■■ that comes out of the state department of education (at least in NJ) was also a complete waste.

Patrick · 2019-10-08T22:54:56.123Z

Eagle-Keeper:

Federal department of education is a complete waste of money.

That doesn’t matter. All that matters are good intentions, not results.

SpacemanSpiff · 2019-10-09T03:05:32.805Z

Patrick:

SpacemanSpiff:

Is there anything out there saying they can’t get a loan from a private bank?

Banks are evil. They’re just in it for the money. They can’t be trusted to do the right thing. Only government should issue loans because only government is good.

That…doesn’t answer my question at all. So, is there anything that says they can’tget a loan from a private bank?

WildRose · 2019-10-09T03:10:01.107Z

Only the fact it’s next to impossible to get an education load that is not guaranteed by the state or federal gov’t.

The average college student has no credit history, no job, no collateral which all make them very high risk.

If your parents are willing to consign for you and have excellent credit and connections you might get one but unlike traditional student loans interest starts accumulating immediately and the monthly payments start immediately as well instead of neither starting until you graduate.

SpacemanSpiff · 2019-10-09T03:16:18.773Z

WildRose:

Only the fact it’s next to impossible to get an education load that is not guaranteed by the state or federal gov’t.

The average college student has no credit history, no job, no collateral which all make them very high risk.

If your parents are willing to consign for you and have excellent credit and connections you might get one but unlike traditional student loans interest starts accumulating immediately and the monthly payments start immediately as well instead of neither starting until you graduate.

Well, like I said earlier, I’m just glad the American tax payers picked up my entire tab, except for $1,200.

WildRose · 2019-10-09T03:27:00.296Z

Must be nice.