The deep state compromised both parties NJ

Paul_Thomson · 2020-02-01T12:42:45.341Z

Is this when the rot really set in to the US surveillance agencies?

There’s some familiar contemporary names mentioned in this interview: Obama, Pelosi… Allowing the intelligence agencies to go rogue and carry out unchecked surveillance Americans. What was the kickback? I wonder.

FRONTLINE

The FRONTLINE Interview: William Binney – United States of Secrets - FRONTLINE

A 36-year NSA veteran, William Binney resigned from the agency and became a whistleblower after discovering that elements of a data-monitoring program he had helped develop -- nicknamed ThinThread -- was being used to spy on Americans.

" You’re pretty frustrated, to say the least, at this point.

Well, I’m very disappointed in the government, that everybody involved is violating their oath of office. I mean, they all took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, and they’ve all scrapped that. They basically are violating their oath of office. I mean, I just never expected this from my democracy. …

"The only secret was it was being kept from the population of the United States. They didn’t want the population of the United States to know, because what they were doing was an impeachable event. …

WuWei · 2020-02-01T13:19:41.123Z

Paul_Thomson:

What was the kickback? I wonder.

Information is power. Pols are generally idiots. It is very easy for a suit from the FBI to convince them it is to protect them and they are important.

Paul_Thomson · 2020-02-01T17:18:18.845Z

" As the technical director of the world geopolitical military analysis stuff, I went to the terrorist shop, and I said, “I want a list of all the sites that produced any information that is helpful to you in analyzing the terrorist target anywhere in the world.” So they came up with a list of 18 sites that do the contributions to them. I said, “OK, these are our targets.” That was pretty simple, you know. “These are the producing assets that we have, so this is where we go first.”

So we proposed to go to those 18 sites for $9.5 million in January 2001. Unfortunately, at the same time, this was when [Michael] Hayden, director at the time, Hayden started his Trailblazer program, and he came down here to Congress and said: “Volume, velocity and variety is a big problem. We can’t handle it. We need lots of money to deal with it. So give me about, what, about $4 billion to manage it.” So that’s what they did. And that put the focus over there. …

You lost out to the director’s program, which was huge. And you guys had a $3 million program.

It cost us about $3.2 million to do it, yeah, from scratch.

… And it was working.

It was working, yeah.

Because tests were done also. And all the tests came with flying colors?

Yes.

So explain that to me.

We had any number of people looking at the program we were running. They, of course, wanted to support all the money programs, so they didn’t want to shine too much light over there, because it would get too much attention at that point, and say, “Gee, you already solved this problem, so what do you need all this money for?” They didn’t want to have that happen, so that was what their fear was. And that motivated them, then, to kill the program. But effectively it was already running and working and inputting data for analysis and we were already using it."

Well, the only reason I found out about that was because the contractor I had [who] was doing that program for me on foreign intelligence came to me, because he and his folks were the only ones who knew how the code worked, and could set it up and get it running for them. So they had to use them to do that.

So when they did that, he came to me and said: “Well, you know, you know what they’re doing down there is they’re pulling in all domestic data and taking it, by hundreds of millions of records, every day, on U.S. communications with other U.S. people, inside the country. And it’s coming from AT&T.” So that was, AT&T was the first input into that domestic intelligence program, which I later found out was called Stellar Wind. …"

So you’re hearing this stuff. And what are you thinking? Are you guys talking with other people?

Well, at my point, I said: “Well, obviously, this place has gone rogue. It is just now violating everything, every foundational principle of this country, the Constitution fundamentally, and not counting any number of laws.” So I said, “Obviously, there’s nothing that can be done inside this agency.”

After I got out, I went down to the House Intelligence Committee and talked to Diane Roark, who was the staffer there, and told her what the program was and what was going on. Because it was the job of that committee, under the FISA laws, to prevent this kind of espionage against U.S. people.

And you go to her before or after you leave?

Slightly before I left.

All right. Before we get to that point, you’re hearing all this stuff. You’re thinking: “This does not sound kosher.” … What do you learn they do?

Well, what they did was they got rid of the section of the code that encrypted any of the attributes of U.S. citizens. That was the protection section. So what they did was, they either commented it out – what that means is, if you go into the source code and put a “C” at the front of the line of every code, every line of code that does the encryption, that, for the compiler, when it comes through to compile it, it looks at that and says, “That’s a comment,” OK, so it skips over that.

So either that, or they took that entire block of code and deleted it. So there’s one of two ways of getting rid of it. If they commented it out, it would only take a couple minutes to reinstate it. It wouldn’t be difficult to do. If they deleted it, they’d have to reconstruct all that code.

And you suggested that.

I suggested that to Diane Roark. That was the way that they probably did it, and they could reinstate it very simply, if they only commented it out."

William Binney goes to the House, the DoD, the DoJ and none of them defend the Constitution?

Jezcoe · 2020-02-01T17:32:25.758Z

Are you just learning about this?

Paul_Thomson · 2020-02-01T17:34:56.709Z

Are you OK with this?

" And what happened as a result of the meeting?

"The only thing that happened was that they had a joint five Inspector Generals [sic] – I think the Inspector Generals of NSA, CIA, FBI, DOJ and I think it was DoD. Those five Inspector Generals got together and produced a composite report on the surveillance programs of NSA in July 2009, I believe it was.

And that was after Obama came in, a constitutional lawyer. We had hoped he might do something to stop this unconstitutional activity. But they came out and basically said the only things they need are more oversight of it and more controls involved in how they managed the use of that data. They didn’t say they had to stop it. …

You’re pretty frustrated, to say the least, at this point.

Well, I’m very disappointed in the government, that everybody involved is violating their oath of office. I mean, they all took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, and they’ve all scrapped that. They basically are violating their oath of office. I mean, I just never expected this from my democracy."

Jezcoe · 2020-02-01T17:58:11.274Z

Paul_Thomson:

Are you OK with this?

" And what happened as a result of the meeting?

"The only thing that happened was that they had a joint five Inspector Generals [sic] – I think the Inspector Generals of NSA, CIA, FBI, DOJ and I think it was DoD. Those five Inspector Generals got together and produced a composite report on the surveillance programs of NSA in July 2009, I believe it was.

And that was after Obama came in, a constitutional lawyer. We had hoped he might do something to stop this unconstitutional activity. But they came out and basically said the only things they need are more oversight of it and more controls involved in how they managed the use of that data. They didn’t say they had to stop it. …

You’re pretty frustrated, to say the least, at this point.

Well, I’m very disappointed in the government, that everybody involved is violating their oath of office. I mean, they all took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, and they’ve all scrapped that. They basically are violating their oath of office. I mean, I just never expected this from my democracy."

No I am not.

It was the reason I never voted for Obama.

adroit · 2020-02-01T18:30:19.914Z

Jezcoe:

Are you just learning about this?

I remember discussing Upstream and PRISM extensively on the forum when I first joined in 2008/2009.

Jezcoe · 2020-02-01T18:32:47.465Z

adroit:

Jezcoe:

Are you just learning about this?

I remember discussing Upstream and PRISM extensively on the forum when I first joined in 2008/2009.

Yeah… I remember the reaction to it being very different.

Samson_Corwell · 2020-02-01T18:46:17.549Z

Paul_Thomson:

Is this when the rot really set in to the US surveillance agencies?

There’s some familiar contemporary names mentioned in this interview: Obama, Pelosi… Allowing the intelligence agencies to go rogue and carry out unchecked surveillance Americans. What was the kickback? I wonder.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/government-elections-politics/united-states-of-secrets/the-frontline-interview-william-binney/

" You’re pretty frustrated, to say the least, at this point.

Well, I’m very disappointed in the government, that everybody involved is violating their oath of office. I mean, they all took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, and they’ve all scrapped that. They basically are violating their oath of office. I mean, I just never expected this from my democracy. …

"The only secret was it was being kept from the population of the United States. They didn’t want the population of the United States to know, because what they were doing was an impeachable event. …

Where the ■■■■ have you been? This has been happening for nearly two decades.

Toll_Collector · 2020-02-01T20:33:33.652Z

WuWei:

Information is power. Pols are generally idiots. It is very easy for a suit from the FBI to convince them it is to protect them and they are important.

Power is power.

Paul_Thomson · 2020-02-02T01:57:32.880Z

Samson_Corwell:

Where the ■■■■ have you been? This has been happening for nearly two decades.

You’ve been letting this happen for two decades? You thought Trump was fantasizing about being illegally spied on, and yet you knew this was in place? You get a president who wants to clean this up, an you want him impeached?

Samson_Corwell · 2020-02-02T03:27:13.845Z

Paul_Thomson:

You’ve been letting this happen for two decades?

You know the answer to this question.

Paul_Thomson:

You thought Trump was fantasizing about being illegally spied on, and yet you knew this was in place?

I’ve never said anything on this forum about Trump’s claims of being targeted for surveillance during the election. I originally didn’t see any reason to believe them because of the conspiratorial nature of the claims (much like the Russia stuff, which I still don’t believe). Though I’m more open likely to think it happened given some recent news reports, it doesn’t feel as monumental as Trump’s claims would make me imagine it to be.

Paul_Thomson:

You get a president who wants to clean this up, an you want him impeached?

He’s taken shots at the intelligence community on matters that relate to his election and spying they might have done on his campaign. He has not said anything about wanting to end our federal government’s mass surveillance programs, which is disappointing but expected.

CanadianJudo · 2020-02-02T03:37:11.049Z

FBI has been spying on American since it was created it wa one of Hoover main goals

Paul_Thomson · 2020-02-02T08:17:28.768Z

CanadianJudo:

FBI has been spying on American since it was created it wa one of Hoover main goals

Is it constitutional?
If not, why hasn’t someone stopped it, or been charged over it?
$$$$$?