The Curious Case of Kilmar Abrego Garcia

You obviously are.

Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia

He has been referred to as Garcia in pretty much every post. Why did you suddenly decide to switch? How is this even relevant to anything?

“Rounded them up and put them on a plane”?

But earlier you told everyone you were SURE these people got due process before they were sent off to a prison.

I’m very familiar with what is readily available in the news and what has been discussed in this forum. I was referring to some of the items that only those in the administration might currently know.

For instance the administrative error.

Did the government know Garcia was on the plane with the Venezuelan gang members and that a simple paperwork snafu allow him to board the plane. Or was everyone in detention rounded up by low-level agents, under the assumption that everyone was to be deported. Were the higher ups even aware Garcia was among them?

When was the error discovered and by who? Was it first discovered in El Salvador by the ES officials, or did the administration realize their error when the plane was in the air?

Those are the kinds of heads or tails information I’m curious about.

what matters is that he’s out of the country.

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Two different judges evidently deemed him to be MS-13 as well.

We have liars on the left like Mika Brezinski claiming he was deported simply because of his hat and Concrete Head AOC claiming it was because of speech. :roll_eyes: :crazy_face:

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His dad’s last name was Abrego. He almost certainly uses the last name Abrego in common usage.

Did we ever figure out if he’s actually in MS-13 or not?

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Not a single person this thread has defended ms-13.

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No.

The reports that alleged he was (which were actually one report, since the DHS document was based on the local document) and the supposed informant are suspect, as I have laid out elsewhere. Especially the informant, who claimed Garcia was a member of a gang clique that was located in a city and state where Garcia has never lived.

Plus Garcia’s lawyers never had a chance to address the reports or talk to those who generated them.

Garcia never had a hearing to determine if he was a gang member, which is the due process that would be required before he was sentenced to prison.

Plus…think about what had to happen after he was granted his withholding from removal order.

He had to fill out an application to get legal status to work while he waited for the government to resolve his case.

As part of that application, DHS and the FBI did background and criminal checks on him.

If he had failed those checks, his withhold from removal could have been revoked…he certainly wouldn’t have gotten his authorization to work.

Garcia did get vetted by DHS and the FBI.

TRUMP’S DHS and FBI.

He passed their checks and got his authorization to work in the US.

How did he pass those background checks if Trump’s administration was SURE he was an MS-13 member?

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Well it sounds to me like we shipped this guy to a hellhole without doing anything right at all.

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The administration will have facilitated the return of Garcia if they let El Salvador know we will bring him back if they want to hand us their citizen. They will not, and the Supreme Court is not asking the administration to do anything to El Salvador to force them to hand him over to us.
Garcia was in the US illegally, had a nefarious past, and should have been removed from the country. His actions lead him to where he is.
The US should not toss someone into a prison domestically or abroad unless they have had a hearing here or in another country. Hopefully, that stops.
This particular case will gradually die down,when the polls show that Democrats are gaining no political traction from it.

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Yes.

And that is what the discussion has been all about.

No one is arguing for “terrorists and illegals” to “overrun the country”.

The principle of due process is being defended, because once we allow the government to deny it to anyone, we are allowing them to deny it to everyone.

In such a situation neither your badge of citizenship nor any marks for “good behavior” will save you.

Garcia…and anyone else sent to CECOT…should have been given the hearings that were their right.

If those hearings had revealed he or any of them were gang members, then throw their asses out or stick them in jail.

But you can’t stick them in jail without the due process first…you are ■■■■■■■■ on the Constitution and imperiling everyone when you do so.

And yeah that means if a guilty person goes free, so be it.

Freedom is dangerous.

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Juan Carlos Lopez Gomez. Say his name.

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Since Trump’s administration is going into spin overdrive to defend what they did, they know that what they did is not popular.

They also know they don’t want to stop doing what they did, and you are foolishly naive if you think they are going to stop.

They suspended and then threatened the lawyer who admitted their error on Garcia, and have spent the weeks since essentially claiming they didn’t make an error.

Does that sound like the behavior of an administration that’s going to shift gears?

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I didn’t switch. You’re saying his name wrong. I would have thought you’d know that.

Nice

he’s a wife beater ms-13 member and democrats are fighting to bring him back.

be proud

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As more information comes out, it’s becoming more clear that Democrats have picked the wrong guy to make their cause celebre.

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