The Curious Case of Kilmar Abrego Garcia (Part 1)

No. Whether you think it’s right or not, you participate in it. Now’s the time to stand up to these actions, don’t wait until a Democrat is president.

Who says I’m not? Where is your outrage the left didn’t want to pass the Laken Riley Bill and refused to call their families? Now’s the time to stand up to that too! We can walk and chew gum at the same time!

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No, NO, NNNOOO.

Arrest him, detain him, charge him, try him in court, convict him, send him to prison for decades.

Only once the prison sentence set by a court of law is complete do you then deport him.

Don’t deport a criminal, send them to prison for their crimes.

WW

That wasn’t his immgration hearing.

It was a bond hearing.

The “2 courts” were a bond hearing judge and the request to redetermine bond status. Bond hearing occur shortly after detainment, the respondent is provided limited time to rebut due to short turn around time. Neither they or their attorney (if they have one) have time to develop rebuttal evidence, have discovery, solicit testimony, obtain documents, or sworn affidavits.

That means the judge is sitting there with a stack of bond hearing cases and it’s an assembly line process where claims by the government are given undue weight because the resonant is at a disadvantage.

Abrego Garcia’s Bond hearing was in (IIRC) March/April time frame, you fail to mention that Judge Jones who sat on the ACTUAL immigration hearing where asylum was denied (time limited) and granted the withholding of deportation that after testimony, affidavits, and document submission that Abreo Garcia was creditable. You also don’t mention that Judge Xinis in her opinion was highly suspect of the governments position given the nature of the “evidence” they used.

(NOW, I’m no dissing the Bond Hearing Judge, I’m pointing out that when the evidence is weighed on the merits, later judges were not convinced.)

WW

You’ve been defending Trump’s actions in this thread for days. I really don’t care about calling families, politicians do that for show. But I’ve been critical of Democratic immigration policies for years and won’t support a Democrat for president until they convince me they won’t return to Biden’s border disaster.

I defended Trump? How? I said he wrongfully sent Garcia to Cecot without Due Process! How is that defending Trump? You must be confusing me with someone else. Democrats don’t care if you or I die by the hands of the immigrants, so get use to not voting for them.

The times aren’t “normal” because only twice has the country circumvented the legsl process and Constitution out of fear.

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:rofl: You are not a civil libertarian.

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Alleged.

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It helps ye ol CD.

Every time you say, “But Obama!” in this thread you’re defending Trump.

No I am not! I am saying they are equally bad! There is no winner here. It’s about the lesser of two evils. Your choices are the party who cares about the people who are born here who mess up on due process at times on deportation vs the party that could give two ■■■■■ about you and I dying at the hands of an illegal as legal us citizens, and all illegals get due process regardless of the circumstance. I voted for Trump due to putting the people who should be here first. It’s the lesser of two evils.

He doesn’t have to “vet” them to do a simple deportation.

Does he? Show the convictions.

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Prove it. Convict them. Then you can lock them up.

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OK, I’m mostly with you on this. We should demand better of both parties, not use one to justify the ■■■■■■ actions of the other.

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Yes! That’s it!

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Hogwash. If somebody is wrongfully imprisoned, you can certainly let them out of prison.

I dont like anyone being killed regardless if its an American citizen or an illegal immigrant. Its not like anyone consoles themselves with “at least they were murdered by an American citizen”.

And yes I am a cynical son of a bitch when it comes to politician’s and their actions.