The Collusion Delusion

[DougBH]

@H_Arendt

I got curious and so I looked into the Chicago real estate issue. I assume you were referring to the Resko matter. This was heavily pushed by the Republican National Committee and then rejected as fishing by every independent analysis. Bestdes, Trump supporters always say what happened before he was President is off limits and this was before Obama was President.

You are trying to find some equivalency. Really. Is that all you’ve got?

Equivalency? No, it is not equivalent to Trump doing nothing. At least there would have been some actual basis for that.

[WuWei]

@Konssurvative1

@Konssurvative1

Although I think it would be a reach, in my opinion.

@peek-a-boo, I’ve been on record several times against impeachment. I’m saying, you are wrong with all the no collusion Mueller report means Trump is innocent garbage. Believe what you want. Trump can’t be charged, but that does not obsolve him.

I got mobbed flagged for calling @JayJay 's post garbage. How come you didn’t?

[H_Arendt]

@DougBH

Great. Now doing business with Deutsche bank is probable cause for an investigation.

The President of the United States should put his assets in a blind trust, not have his sons run the busniess in constant contact with him. Deutsche Bank is facing serious charges from federal regulations, having already been sanctioned several times for money laundering. Deutsche Bank is the only western bank that has been willing to lend the Trump Organization money for more than a decade, given Trump’s record of consistent business failures.

Whistle blowers at the bank have documented that bank leaders have overruled bank policy several times when policy said they should not lend money to the Trump Organization.

So when a bank that is under serious federal investigation is doing business in questionable ways with the head of the federal government – that head who refuses to separate himself from his business the way all of his predecessors have – and who refuses to make the financial disclosures that all his predecessors have… there is a very good reason to investigate what is going on.

Donald Trump could put a stop to this issue immediately if he were to follow the precedents set by his predecessors of both parties.

And he has an army of supporters prepared to whine about how unfairly he is being treated! The rules in place are their to avoid both corruption and the appearance of corruption. If you flout the rules, anyone reaonsable observer will grow suspicious.

As Deep Throat told Bob Woodward thirty-nine years ago, “Follow the money.”

[JayJay]

@WuWei

@Konssurvative1

@Konssurvative1

Although I think it would be a reach, in my opinion.

@peek-a-boo, I’ve been on record several times against impeachment. I’m saying, you are wrong with all the no collusion Mueller report means Trump is innocent garbage. Believe what you want. Trump can’t be charged, but that does not obsolve him.

I got mobbed flagged for calling @JayJay 's post garbage. How come you didn’t?

Why are you calling me out?

I didn’t flag your post.

If you want to play the “why aren’t the flags equal” game, may I ask you leave me out of it and ask those people who are prone to flag why they didn’t get this one?

I don’t play those games.

Thanks.

[WuWei]

@JayJay

@WuWei

@Konssurvative1

@Konssurvative1

Although I think it would be a reach, in my opinion.

@peek-a-boo, I’ve been on record several times against impeachment. I’m saying, you are wrong with all the no collusion Mueller report means Trump is innocent garbage. Believe what you want. Trump can’t be charged, but that does not obsolve him.

I got mobbed flagged for calling @JayJay 's post garbage. How come you didn’t?

Why are you calling me out?

I didn’t flag your post.

If you want to play the “why aren’t the flags equal” game, may I ask you leave me out of it and ask those people who are prone to flag why they didn’t get this one?

I don’t play those games.

Thanks.

It was your post I called garbage. Just like I said. Calm down.

[JayJay]

@WuWei

It was your post I called garbage. Just like I said. Calm down.

I’m not talking about that post. I forgot that post pretty much that night.

I’m talking about the callout in THIS thread.

Please don’t use the @ symbol unless you’d like to talk about something that’s actually important.

[WuWei]

@JayJay

@WuWei

It was your post I called garbage. Just like I said. Calm down.

I’m not talking about that post. I forgot that post pretty much that night.

I’m talking about the callout in THIS thread.

Please don’t use the @ symbol unless you’d like to talk about something that’s actually important.

Calm down and stop telling me how to post. I’m not going to talk about your post without letting you know.

It’s not a CALLOUT, it is simply good manners. I don’t say names behind backs.

Next time ask before shrieking.

@JayJay

[JayJay]

Talk about me all you want…I don’t care.

But keep me out of your kids’ little war games.

And don’t tell me when I should “shriek” or not.

[WuWei]

@JayJay

Talk about me all you want…I don’t care.

But keep me out of your kids’ little war games.

And don’t tell me when I should “shriek” or not.

But it’s ok for you to tell me? Have a nice night Jay.

[Konssurvative1]

Maybe because no one read my post. It often happens.

[DougBH]

@H_Arendt

@DougBH

Great. Now doing business with Deutsche bank is probable cause for an investigation.

The President of the United States should put his assets in a blind trust, not have his sons run the busniess in constant contact with him. Deutsche Bank is facing serious charges from federal regulations, having already been sanctioned several times for money laundering. Deutsche Bank is the only western bank that has been willing to lend the Trump Organization money for more than a decade, given Trump’s record of consistent business failures.

Whistle blowers at the bank have documented that bank leaders have overruled bank policy several times when policy said they should not lend money to the Trump Organization.

So when a bank that is under serious federal investigation is doing business in questionable ways with the head of the federal government – that head who refuses to separate himself from his business the way all of his predecessors have – and who refuses to make the financial disclosures that all his predecessors have… there is a very good reason to investigate what is going on.

Donald Trump could put a stop to this issue immediately if he were to follow the precedents set by his predecessors of both parties.

And he has an army of supporters prepared to whine about how unfairly he is being treated! The rules in place are their to avoid both corruption and the appearance of corruption. If you flout the rules, anyone reaonsable observer will grow suspicious.

As Deep Throat told Bob Woodward thirty-nine years ago, “Follow the money.”

Do you have any idea how many businesses have loans from Deutche bank.

That is the same sort of garbage we had when we were told about “collusion”.
Noithing in your long narrative gives one slight hint of anything illegal or unethical.

As far as a “blind trust”, be serious. Trump’s investments are and always have been in real estate. If you divest of all your real estate you are likely to loose a fortune. How many buyers are there for golf courses?

[DougBH]

I can’t stand it any longer. Why do you have an avatar of Robert E Howard?

[H_Arendt]

@DougBH

@H_Arendt

@DougBH

Great. Now doing business with Deutsche bank is probable cause for an investigation.

The President of the United States should put his assets in a blind trust, not have his sons run the busniess in constant contact with him. Deutsche Bank is facing serious charges from federal regulations, having already been sanctioned several times for money laundering. Deutsche Bank is the only western bank that has been willing to lend the Trump Organization money for more than a decade, given Trump’s record of consistent business failures.

Whistle blowers at the bank have documented that bank leaders have overruled bank policy several times when policy said they should not lend money to the Trump Organization.

So when a bank that is under serious federal investigation is doing business in questionable ways with the head of the federal government – that head who refuses to separate himself from his business the way all of his predecessors have – and who refuses to make the financial disclosures that all his predecessors have… there is a very good reason to investigate what is going on.

Donald Trump could put a stop to this issue immediately if he were to follow the precedents set by his predecessors of both parties.

And he has an army of supporters prepared to whine about how unfairly he is being treated! The rules in place are their to avoid both corruption and the appearance of corruption. If you flout the rules, anyone reaonsable observer will grow suspicious.

As Deep Throat told Bob Woodward thirty-nine years ago, “Follow the money.”

Do you have any idea how many businesses have loans from Deutche bank.

That is the same sort of garbage we had when we were told about “collusion”.
Noithing in your long narrative gives one slight hint of anything illegal or unethical.

As far as a “blind trust”, be serious. Trump’s investments are and always have been in real estate. If you divest of all your real estate you are likely to loose a fortune. How many buyers are there for golf courses?

This is a standard piece of conservative rhetoric – taking something extraordinary and restating it to sound as if anyone could get caught up in it. For example: frightening ordinary citizens with the thought of “Death Taxes” while ignoring that the Estate Tax only kicks in for high net worth estates.

There is nothing out of the ordinary about having a banking relationship with Deutsche Bank. However, when there are several people on record saying the senior bank officials violated bank policy to approve transactions for the Trump Organization that is not ordinary and that is not the banking relationship most people would have with Deutsche Bank.

Trump supporters do us all a disservice when they look at blatant corruption and self dealing and proclaim, “This is normal, nothing to see here.” My narrative gave repeated examples of corruption; your claim that there is nothing to consider here is no more than willful blindness.

[H_Arendt]

@H_Arendt

@DougBH

@H_Arendt

@DougBH

Great. Now doing business with Deutsche bank is probable cause for an investigation.

The President of the United States should put his assets in a blind trust, not have his sons run the busniess in constant contact with him. Deutsche Bank is facing serious charges from federal regulations, having already been sanctioned several times for money laundering. Deutsche Bank is the only western bank that has been willing to lend the Trump Organization money for more than a decade, given Trump’s record of consistent business failures.

Whistle blowers at the bank have documented that bank leaders have overruled bank policy several times when policy said they should not lend money to the Trump Organization.

So when a bank that is under serious federal investigation is doing business in questionable ways with the head of the federal government – that head who refuses to separate himself from his business the way all of his predecessors have – and who refuses to make the financial disclosures that all his predecessors have… there is a very good reason to investigate what is going on.

Donald Trump could put a stop to this issue immediately if he were to follow the precedents set by his predecessors of both parties.

And he has an army of supporters prepared to whine about how unfairly he is being treated! The rules in place are their to avoid both corruption and the appearance of corruption. If you flout the rules, anyone reaonsable observer will grow suspicious.

As Deep Throat told Bob Woodward thirty-nine years ago, “Follow the money.”

Do you have any idea how many businesses have loans from Deutche bank.

That is the same sort of garbage we had when we were told about “collusion”.
Noithing in your long narrative gives one slight hint of anything illegal or unethical.

As far as a “blind trust”, be serious. Trump’s investments are and always have been in real estate. If you divest of all your real estate you are likely to loose a fortune. How many buyers are there for golf courses?

This is a standard piece of conservative rhetoric – taking something extraordinary and restating it to sound as if anyone could get caught up in it. For example: frightening ordinary citizens with the thought of “Death Taxes” while ignoring that the Estate Tax only kicks in for high net worth estates.

There is nothing out of the ordinary about having a banking relationship with Deutsche Bank. However, when there are several people on record saying the senior bank officials violated bank policy to approve transactions for the Trump Organization that is not ordinary and that is not the banking relationship most people would have with Deutsche Bank.

Trump supporters do us all a disservice when they look at blatant corruption and self dealing and proclaim, “This is normal, nothing to see here.” My narrative gave repeated examples of corruption; your claim that there is nothing to consider here is no more than willful blindness.

Deutsche Bank Faces Criminal Investigation for Potential Money-Laundering...

For anyone who is interested, an update on the Deutsche Bank matter. The FBI is now investigating the whistleblower allegations regarding Jared Kushner; this will give our conservative brethren to go full-on conspiracy theory about the biases of the “liberal” FBI.

The rest of us can sit back and “follow the money.”

[DougBH]

Trump does have money to follow. I wish I had that sort of money to follow. It is not a crime.

[H_Arendt]

@DougBH

Trump does have money to follow. I wish I had that sort of money to follow. It is not a crime.

You have again done what I pointed out before – taking something that is not normal and turning it into something normal that will cause others to identify with it.

Of course it is not a crime to have money… no one is suggesting that Trump’s finances be investigated because he has wealth. And there is nothing wrong with getting a bank loan. But when a bank’s officers overrule their procedures to give loans to someone who does not qualify for a loan, and that person is in a position to influence an investigation into other potential criminality at the bank, and that criminality just happens to be money laundering for Russian oligarchs, and that person getting the loan has been doing cash transactions with Russian oligarchs that on the surface look a great deal like money laundering…

That’s when people become suspicious.

All Trump would need to do is make the sorts of financial disclosures that have been made by all or his recent predecessors and all recent Presidential candidates. To those of us who are curious, his refusal to do so suggests that he has things to hide.

Do you think Trump’s example that our political leaders should keep their financial matters entirely unseen is a good precedent for a democracy?

[WuWei]

@H_Arendt

For example: frightening ordinary citizens with the thought of “Death Taxes” while ignoring that the Estate Tax only kicks in for high net worth estates.

How many acres do you think it takes to have a “high net worth estate” and what kind of living do you think a ranching family has on it?

[H_Arendt]

@WuWei

@H_Arendt

For example: frightening ordinary citizens with the thought of “Death Taxes” while ignoring that the Estate Tax only kicks in for high net worth estates.

How many acres do you think it takes to have a “high net worth estate” and what kind of living do you think a ranching family has on it?

Not one family farm has been sold to pay Estate Taxes since the whole “Death Tax” debate started. Stop trying to scare people.

[WuWei]

@H_Arendt

@WuWei

@H_Arendt

For example: frightening ordinary citizens with the thought of “Death Taxes” while ignoring that the Estate Tax only kicks in for high net worth estates.

How many acres do you think it takes to have a “high net worth estate” and what kind of living do you think a ranching family has on it?

Not one family farm has been sold to pay Estate Taxes since the whole “Death Tax” debate started. Stop trying to scare people.

Prove it.

[H_Arendt]

@WuWei

@H_Arendt

@WuWei

@H_Arendt

For example: frightening ordinary citizens with the thought of “Death Taxes” while ignoring that the Estate Tax only kicks in for high net worth estates.

How many acres do you think it takes to have a “high net worth estate” and what kind of living do you think a ranching family has on it?

Not one family farm has been sold to pay Estate Taxes since the whole “Death Tax” debate started. Stop trying to scare people.

Prove it.

Logical fallacy. One cannot prove a negative. You can prove your point by finding one positive exmple and as you wander through the farm records you can continue to ignore all the points I made about how inappropriate the Trump/Deutsche Bank connection is.