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The Biden variants continue to spread at the same time isinformation coming out of the White House.

July 20: Report of the super-spreader event among fully vaccinated Texas House Democrats

July 21: Biden says vaccinated are not going to get the disease:
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1418017801437073411

July 30:
CDC admits to an outbreak involving hundreds of fully vaccinated that started back on July 4.

Was Biden lying about the effectiveness of the vaccines or just demented?

August 6: Biden says the 350 million out of the 330 million people in the US have been vaccinated.

Again Biden is spreading misinformation.

Yesterday Fauci claimed that COVID would disappear in the US if more people got vaccinated:

“When you get the overwhelming majority of the population vaccinated—and we don’t know what that threshold is—the virus will disappear, and then we won’t need to worry about it, at least in this country . . .”

The reality is that Israel and Iceland have much higher vaccination rates than the US, yet they are both seeing a spike in the cases among the vaccinated. In the case of Iceland virtually 100% of the adults are vaccinated yet they are seeing an outbreak among the vaccinated.

Is the push for universal vaccination based on actual data? Or is it ignoring reality in the name of the party line?

The White House recently required that almost all foreign travelers to the US be vaccinated:

At the same time it is transporting hundreds of COVID positive immigrants from the Mexican border to locations throughout the country:

If the administration is really concerned about the new variants then why are they using federal resources to spread infected people around the country?

Do we have two growing outbreaks? One the spread of Biden variants, and the other is the spread of disinformation from the Biden administration?

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To be fair, I don’t think anyone can predict or get ahead of the variants.

I think folks are doing their best. What we do need is hope and encouragement from our leadership. If you don’t trust the leadership, then you have to trust your own decisions based upon the information available to you at the time.

It does no service to those who are hesitant to tell everyone the vaccine is the only way while letting Covid positive immigrants flow into our communities.

Mixed messages are never helpful.

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Yes, leaders are going to make mistakes and have to change policies based on changing conditions.

On the other hand, the Biden administration appears to be intentionally spreading obviously false information in order to push the current policy. They are losing all credibility in my opinion.

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There’s a vaccine, and known steps people can take to mitigate the spread. At this point if people don’t wanna get the vaccine and do the other things then I’m fine letting Darwin sort it out. Let’s let COVID-19 fix stupid.

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Biden is responsible for ignorant people not getting a vaccine? LOL

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Nope. Stupid people are responsible for stupid people not getting the vaccine.

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Yes, the vaccine appears to offer some protection from the dangerous effect of COVID.

On the other hand, Fauci’s claim that vaccinations would eliminate COVID is clearly wrong. The fact that the effectiveness of the vaccinations is dropping rapidly as new variants continue to evolve.

Arguably the greater the portion of vaccinated, the more natural selection will favor the development of strains that bypass immunity produced by the vaccines. Your vaccination is making mine less effective.

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As long as they actively placing migrants who are Covid positive into our communities, I can’t take their vaccination pleas seriously.

If Biden were serious about Covid, he would continue the remain in Mexico policy. He should be protecting Americans first.

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There are absolutely no hard data that point to the effectiveness of the vaccines “rapidly dropping” as new variants emerge.

There is some preliminary data that suggests they are slightly less effective than originally reported…but still way more effective than not getting vaccinated at all.

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The number of cases among the vaccinated has skyrocketed since arrival of the Delta variant. That has happened in the Israel and Iceland, who had virtually no cases for several months. It is happening now in the US.

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Well that is a novel argument.

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We are going to learn as we go along.

There is no one and only answer. There is no one and only solution.

It would be so much more beneficial if folks could work together on this and be supportive of one another.

Rather than, time to remove the carrot and time to bring out the stick mentality.

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It’s sheer idiocy is what it is.

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Actually “vaccine escape” or “vaccine breakthrough” is something that has happened before with other diseases, and it was something that scientists warned about as a likely possibility for COVID vaccines.

The US news media and social media have done there best prevent discussion of this likely scenario.

In some cases a “leaky” vaccine can make the disease more dangerous:

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Yeah it’s all fun and games until we have to suffer restrictions again and it ■■■■■ up my life.

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No, it isn’t.

from Imperfect vaccines and the evolution of pathogen virulence | Nature

Abstract

Vaccines rarely provide full protection from disease. Nevertheless, partially effective (imperfect) vaccines may be used to protect both individuals and whole populations1,2,3. We studied the potential impact of different types of imperfect vaccines on the evolution of pathogen virulence (induced host mortality) and the consequences for public health. Here we show that vaccines designed to reduce pathogen growth rate and/or toxicity diminish selection against virulent pathogens. The subsequent evolution leads to higher levels of intrinsic virulence and hence to more severe disease in unvaccinated individuals. This evolution can erode any population-wide benefits such that overall mortality rates are unaffected, or even increase, with the level of vaccination coverage. In contrast, infection-blocking vaccines induce no such effects, and can even select for lower virulence. These findings have policy implications for the development and use of vaccines that are not expected to provide full immunity, such as candidate vaccines for malaria4.

Want to guess which our current covid vaccines are? Infection blocking or imperfect?

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If we lived like chickens I would be very concerned.

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It is a novel argument.

Where did this all come from? Was is a facebook thing ?

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Looks like it came from Nature, did you miss the link? not remotely novel, note the date on the paper. This has been know for quite a while and that isn’t the only paper that finds it to be true. If the vaccination still allows infection and transmission, you are going to end up with more virulent strains that will kill more unvaccinated people.

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I didn’t miss the link

So… just perusing Nature articles from 20 years ago and came upon an a-ha.

Is that what happened?