I am sure our Constitutional forefathers would be all for Compelled labor for those who were too poor to buy their way out of it.

And I am serious about that.

It is strategic mistake to refer to our system as capitalism. Karl Marx popularized the words “capitalist” and “capitalist mode of production” to attack a free market, free enterprise system, without having to use the prefix “free”. And those terms, “capitalist” and “capitalist mode of production” appear more than 2600 times in the Karl Marx trilogy “Das Kapital”.

The significant feature of “capitalism” is the investment and manipulation of capital to achieve an anticipated profit and/or goal.

cap¡i¡tal

/ˈkapədl/

noun

wealth in the form of money or other assets owned by a person or organization or available or contributed for a particular purpose such as starting a company or investing.

“rates of return on invested capital were high”

synonyms: money, finance(s), funds, the wherewithal, the means, assets, wealth, resources, reserves

ism:

A productive suffix in the formation of nouns denoting action or practice, state or condition, principles, doctrines, a usage or characteristic, devotion or adherence, etc.

Keep in mind you will not find the word capitalism used by our founders during the founding of our Country. On the other hand, you will find countless references reflecting freedom and a free market system.

Let us never forget the words of Thomas Jefferson’s First Annual Message to Congress:

”Agriculture, manufactures, commerce, and navigation, the four pillars of our prosperity, are the most thriving when left most free to individual enterprise.”

Freedom and a free enterprise system is what the enemies of our country want to undermine and destroy. They do not want to end capitalism. In fact, they want to use the force of government to engage in capitalism by confiscating the property you earn by the sweat of your labor and then “investing” it e.g., in money laundering operations under the guise of “green energy” and redistribute your paycheck to their pals.

Have you forgotten that under Obama’s form of capitalism and investments 80% of DOE Green Energy Loans Went to Obama Backers?

Please, with all due sincerity, never again confuse or conflate our free market, free enterprise system with that of “capitalism”.

JWK

Have you seen Capitalism lately?

The US has had declining upward social mobility for a few decades now.

We are behind in that metric to England… and they have a for real aristocratic class.

The opioid crisis is fake? Yowza. That some high level denial right there.

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Yes, it’s in decline which is EXACTLY why I want liberalism stopped in its tracks before it does more harm.

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Crisis and epidemic are the words liberals attach to everything they want to spend money on. I don’t consider something to be a crisis or epidemic that starts with a choice. The obesity epidemic. The gun crime epidemic or crisis. The climate crisis. It’s just a word to elicit an emotional response in weak minded people to separate them from their money.

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And that’s the real Lib fear isn’t it? The thought that someone somewhere somehow became prosperous completely without the aid of you compassionate Libs helping them along. However did man progress for thousands of years without you guys? :roll_eyes:

You’re the ones who are arrogant AND ignorant. To assume that people can only thrive with you’re help, that it’s in fact, your right to “help” people, while ignoring the blatant historical fact that we do quite well without you. You’re help is nothing more than outright thievery. You steal what one person has earned to give to someone that hasn’t earned anything, and the only thing politicians get from this confiscation and redistribution scam is votes for themselves.

You really believe politicians are going to help people reach such a point of prosperity that the people no longer need them? You’re naive too.

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Biden couldn’t find his ass with both hands.

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Because we are more Liberal than countries with better Social Mobility?

For all your whining about equality for all, you still choose to ignore the fact that for any “oppressed” demographic you could name, and let’s just choose blacks here, there are countless members of that minority that have risen to every level of social and economic success that you believe is reserved for the racist, oppressive white man. Black doctors, black lawyers, black actors, black athletes, black astronauts, black Supreme Court Justices and even a black POTUS and VPOTUS. And STILL, you guys want them to wallow in victim hood and self pity. Maybe if you guys would quit telling them how helpless and oppressed they are and quit taking care of them like kindly plantation masters, and allow them to care for themselves, maybe you’d discover that most of them would succeed quite well. But then of course, you’d lose your voting base and sense of moral superiority…

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Yeah… Social Mobility in this country is broken.

The American Dream is Dead

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Everybody shouldn’t “make it”?

:rofl: Might want to look at the data.

“Social mobility” :rofl:

  1. Finish high school
  2. Don’t be a single parent
  3. Work
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Would you argue that slavery wasn’t that bad because some slaves managed to escape to the north and avoid northern laws that required them to be returned?

Would you argue that Jim Crow is cool because Madam CJ Walker managed to become a millionaire?

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Charlie Kirk special

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You disagree?

Are we still in the 19th century then, or the 20th for that matter?

No one disputes that racism still exists. Hatred has existed since civilization began. No government or society has ever eradicated hatred, or poverty and they never will. The government can not legislate morality and hatred and racism as well as every other social evil are products of peoples individual morality.

Here’s what you don’t get. People are selfish first and foremost. Get over it, it’s a fact and yes, throughout history, selfish people as individuals or with groups of like minded selfish people have gained power and wrought tremendous evil upon the people they rule. This is not unique to America during the years of slavery.

This isn’t the RF, but my point is based on Christian beliefs and proven by my observations of secular societies, again, throughout history.
I’ve quoted this scripture many times and I do so again “ The heart is deceitful above ALL things and desperately wicked, who can know it.” And I’ve quoted the secular parallel to this, it’s already been quoted in this thread but it ties in with my point, so for those of you who don’t believe in God I’ll quote it again too:” Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

The thing about you Libs is that you don’t believe in absolutes. Lib morality is based on the ever “evolving” morality of society. How’s that working out for you by the way? What social problem can you point to that has gotten better in the many decades you Libs have been implementing all your government programs and laws and confiscating and redistributing of tax payer money? In my opinion, the single biggest problem and the one that has compounded every other problem through time is the destruction of the nuclear family.

Since the 1960s, when no fault divorces came about ( not to mention womens lib, and all the joys of the sex, drugs and Rock and roll culture), the divorce rate has skyrocketed, out of wedlock births are now more prevalent than children of married couples, especially among the black communities, this has led to an ever increasing crime rate, poverty rate, the decline in our education system etc. Sorry, these things are on the Godless, of whom Libs and their secular philosophies and beliefs are in the majority. (Yes, too many conservatives have contributed to these things as well.)

Here’s a couple simple rules given out thousands of years ago that would alleviate a lot of problems in society: “ THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY” and “ THOU SHALT NOT COVET” Simple huh? Yet because society wants to deny the existence and the authority of the God who gave these rules (and 8 more in case you weren’t aware) then nobody has any right to make these laws let alone enforce them.

BTW, did you know the same God that gave those 2 rules also made the American system of slavery that existed until 1865 punishable by death? He did! But again, no God, no absolutes so society just has to rely on the innate goodness of man to bring about the Lib Utopia you think our government, despite any evidence whatsoever, will achieve if only the right woke, enlightened people were put in office.

I’ll check back with you in a couple more centuries to see how that’s going….