Ten Years of Tax Returns From All Presidential Candidates? -- new legislation

Jezcoe · 2019-01-05T12:43:19.039Z

From the little bit of information that has leaked to the Press about the President’s taxes it has been found out that he and his family engaged in decades of tax fraud to transfer Fred Trump’s real estate empire to his children.

Not only did it involve direct transfer of large assets without taxation, there was also highly illegal self dealing between Trump owned companies for tax avoidance.

By the end of all of this. when the full story is finally known, I have a feeling the one’s who are arguing against this measure of transparency might feel a little foolish.

Plasmaball · 2019-01-05T12:44:49.972Z

I disagree…decades of this and they havent started feeling foolish they wont with this one.

Trump is a tax cheat and fraud and a lot of his supporters dont mind that because they hate the IRS. So in the same boat they would do the same thing.

Jezcoe · 2019-01-05T12:48:25.499Z

Plasmaball:

I disagree…decades of this and they havent started feeling foolish they wont with this one.

Trump is a tax cheat and fraud and a lot of his supporters dont mind that because they hate the IRS. So in the same boat they would do the same thing.

And the crazy thing is that Fred Trump made his fortune because of government largess.

He was for real a hard working man who capitalized on his work ethic and smarts, but it is unlikely that he would have amassed the fortune that he did without massive government spending in FHA loans.

Plasmaball · 2019-01-05T12:55:12.379Z

Hard work if you mean cheating the system for decades and using his son in schemes to make his net worth very little.

BlueTex · 2019-01-05T12:56:11.095Z

WildRose:

What about it, it had nothing to do with this law? Taitz never had the money to push the cases up the ladder and was denied standing.

What part of Clinton v. Jones do you think applies to 26 U.S. Code § 6103?

dantes · 2019-01-05T12:56:22.676Z

If the sale was illegal (via bribery) there should be charges so that the illegally obtained property can be seized. It happens every day.

Jezcoe · 2019-01-05T13:01:28.017Z

Plasmaball:

Hard work if you mean cheating the system for decades and using his son in schemes to make his net worth very little.

No, I mean for real that Fred Trump made a lot of his money in a very legitimate fashion… well as legitimate as one can get building in Brooklyn and Queens after WW2.

What gets me though is the disconnect between amassing an enormous fortune because of direct investment of money by the Federal Government into an industry and the need to avoid paying taxes to the very entity that created that wealth.

It makes no sense to me.

Plasmaball · 2019-01-05T13:10:37.008Z

Yes he made money off government money…I know…but in that time frame he also used tax fraud so make more…like making trump his landlord etc…so that tells me he was always a grifter and scam artist…he just did it in a…I dont know what term inwant to use here…legit doesnt seem right

Plasmaball · 2019-01-05T13:12:43.016Z

As to your second part…people are who they are…the reason you don’t understand is because you cant accept the idea he was always a scam artist…he just found a “legit” way to scam the government fast and sink his hooks in…

Those bars emotions and quirks you have? They wont change …

Jezcoe · 2019-01-05T13:14:17.018Z

Plasmaball:

Yes he made money off government money…I know…but in that time frame he also used tax fraud so make more…like making trump his landlord etc…so that tells me he was always a grifter and scam artist…he just did it in a…I dont know what term inwant to use here…legit doesnt seem right

Fair enough.

I can separate my opinion of Fred Trump, the guy who worked hard and pretty much became a self made billionaire from the massive tax cheat that he later became.

His son the President though? That guy failed upwards his entire life.

Plasmaball · 2019-01-05T13:17:09.838Z

Think of it like this…Fred’s mind was always looking for the perfect scam to make money…long comes cheap affordable housing paid for by the government…ding ding…his brain goes to work and he seizes on it…it may look legit but the underlying mechanism of fred working it like a scam is still there…

Make sense?

Jezcoe · 2019-01-05T13:18:55.365Z

Plasmaball:

As to your second part…people are who they are…the reason you don’t understand is because you cant accept the idea he was always a scam artist…he just found a “legit” way to scam the government fast and sink his hooks in…

Those bars emotions and quirks you have? They wont change …

I can also see that side of your point.

It is just very strange… and it isn’t just billionaires who made a crap ton of money off of government money but also those who rely on big government money being spent directly or indirectly into their economy feeling that somehow they are getting short shrift.

Maybe it is the same effect that brings us the “keep you government hands off my Medicare” argument

Plasmaball · 2019-01-05T13:22:33.283Z

You have a hard time grasping it because you arent a scumbag trying to milk the system.

It’s like this…its like drugs…its like those people you see on fb wanting to buy clunkers. The flash money looking for that desperate person who is willing to sell their car for less because they need the cash…

Jezcoe · 2019-01-05T13:24:35.089Z

Plasmaball:

Think of it like this…Fred’s mind was always looking for the perfect scam to make money…long comes cheap affordable housing paid for by the government…ding ding…his brain goes to work and he seizes on it…it may look legit but the underlying mechanism of fred working it like a scam is still there…

Make sense?

I don’t totally agree.

The guy started building things when he was 15 years old and he got into building supermarkets right before they became a thing.

I doubt that we will agree on this, but I can compartmentalize the parts of Fred Trump’s story that I find admirable and have no problem criticizing the long list of bad things.

Plasmaball · 2019-01-05T13:27:40.200Z

We can all do admirable things in our life…

So basically you need to figure what happened from that 15 year old to that man who uses his son as a landlord at the age of 3 to scam money.

I’m sorry but saying that shows me always like that…

Jezcoe · 2019-01-05T13:28:41.188Z

Plasmaball:

We can all do admirable things in our life…

So basically you need to figure what happened from that 15 year old to that man who uses his son as a landlord at the age of 3 to scam money.

I’m sorry but saying that shows me always like that…

People are complicated.

Plasmaball · 2019-01-05T13:35:18.051Z

To a degree

Phaedrus · 2019-01-05T14:44:30.172Z

I note that when one mentions the irrefutable evidence that Trump and his family committed massive tax fraud, the Republicans around here are like, “Ummm, I think I left the iron on. Better go check.”

PurpnGold · 2019-01-05T14:58:18.701Z

He has less power than Hilary did?

Munimula1 · 2019-01-05T15:01:31.752Z

But individual states could enact laws stating that candidates can’t be on the ballot unless they have released tax returns- if NY and California alone did that, it would have a huge impact.