Not in this world.
What percentage of people have an adverse reaction to the Covid vaccine?
The rate of adverse reactions to the vaccine is much much much lower than the rate of of those same reactions to contracting the virus.
Take for instance the risk of Myocarditis
It is safer to get the vaccine than it is to get sick with the virus… plus there is the added benefit of lowering the risk for being a disease vector and passing the virus to someone else.
If we are to use the current Trumpist talking points, it was an experimental treatment that hasn’t even been approved by the FDA.
The reality was that it was in the testing process and at the time, the companies creating it could only produce enough to administer it to one week’s worth of the people that came down with Covid-19, and they had yet to do enough testing to know how effective it was in what circumstance to know how to prioritize dosing.
On the bright side, the Gates Foundation has worked with both of those companies to help them ramp up production.
It wasn’t until August that EU for Regen-Cov was modified as there was updated data from a phase 3 trial and it still isn’t a substitution for vaccination.
You just cannot help yourself, Jezcoe, can you?
Once again you employ a stupid debating trick [bait and switch] rather than actually responding to MY POST and engage in a productive discussion.
We were talking about a specific age group in good health. You have offered absolutely nothing confirming it is safer for those who are healthy individuals between 10 and 30 years of age, to get the vaccine, than to not get the jab.
Why do you persist in such obfuscations and misdirection’s?
Finally, you end your post with an innuendo proving to not be the case. Contrary to your innuendo, we are leaning as each day passes that the vaxxed can, and are, becoming supper spreaders of the virus. And this brings us to NYC’s one size fits all __ No Vax, No Service ___ which discriminates against those with natural immunity.
NYC’s mandate ignores the science, by actually encouraging the fully vaccinated, who are symptom free but infected and can spread the virus, to go about and enjoy public accommodations and spread the virus, while those who have natural immunity and are virus free, are discriminated against by government and prohibited from going about their daily activities.
JWK
Let us never forget. There is now both domestic and foreign blood on the hands of all those who voted for the Biden/Harris ticket.
Yes, John, you nailed it. The natural immunity is way better than the immunity from the vaccine. Not that anybody would deliberately get covid, of course!! I would rather take the chances of getting covid, get treated quickly and aggressively, which I KNOW would happen in my case, and recover with natural immunity than take the vaccines which have high adverse reactions and are losing efficacy now anyway, requiring who-knows-how-many boosters. I am particularly concerned about long term effects of the vaccines that may show up in 3-5 years. Meanwhile, I am taking preventative regimen and keeping myself healthy. I am careful around others and distance in the public arena when we leave our property, which is in the country.
Everyone must make these choices for themselves.
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How is getting the vaccine and suffering a bad reaction safer than being infected with the virus, beating it with no ill effects, and acquiring a lasting natural immunity
John, this is what I was responding to (I am obviously not very adept at these things—must be an “old person” issue)
But you have to catch Covid. That’s a huge caveat
My chances of recovery are 99.997%. Probably better because I will be getting the best care available.
With possible long term effects. Why take into consideration long term effects of the vaccine but not Covid
With every booster the risks are multiplied. And many covid cases are fully vaccinated people now. In Israel from July 4-31, 86.0% of confirmed cases were fully vaccinated people. (Source Israeli government covid-19 dashboard) Iceland recent number is 77% are in the fully vaccinated.
Why should I take the vaccine risk and then get covid anyway?
I am honestly not trying to be argumentative or flippant. These are difficult issues.
To dole out ICU beds? Nah.
Although I would be considered in the “high risk” category because of my age, I am very conscious of my health and my immune system is extraordinary, so I am not too concerned about being infected with the virus, although I always take common sense precautions when around others.
Aside from that, there are many commonly available products which, if taken at the first signs of a virus infection, and especially a respiratory infection, which can and do prevent viruses from replicating. I have known this since the early 1990s and have yet to be incapacitated by a cold, flu, or any other respiratory infection and do not want to, without absolute certainty of its safety, introduce a laboratory cooked up concoction into my body.
And now we are seeing the “vaccine”, in general, is not as effective as natural immunity, and yet, the vaccine jabbers demand an unscientific one size fits all approach __ No Vax, No Service ___ which discriminates against those having natural immunity to the COVID virus.
NYC’s mandate__ No Vax, No Service ___ ignores the science, by actually encouraging the fully vaccinated, who are symptom free but infected and can spread the virus, to go about and enjoy public accommodations and spread the virus, while those who have natural immunity and are virus free, are discriminated against by government and prohibited from going about their daily activities. So why is natural immunity given little to no attention?
See Our COVID Overlords’ Insane Ignorance of Natural Immunity
Aug 23, 2021
"Appearing on Fox News’ “Hannity” to discuss the topic a few weeks ago, Dr. Nicole Saphier called the CDC “myopic.”
“We have ample data showing that natural immunity provides effectiveness against severe disease from SARS-CoV-2,” she said. “In fact, Israel showed that reinfection following prior infection is about seven times less likely than if you are fully vaccinated. So I find it to be very myopic that the CDC continues to discount the protection of natural immunity. They only do it for SARS-CoV-2. They acknowledge natural immunity for measles, chickenpox, and many other viruses, but they are so myopic right now in trying to encourage vaccination that they are truly actually not following the science.”
There is something very, very suspicious taking place when an important factor, natural immunity, in dealing with the Covid outbreak is given little to no attention.
BTW, did you see the following? COVID-19 survivors may possess wide-ranging resistance to the disease
July 22, 2021
”Recovered COVID-19 patients retain broad and effective longer-term immunity to the disease, suggests a recent Emory University study, which is the most comprehensive of its kind so far. The findings have implications for expanding understanding about human immune memory as well as future vaccine development for coronaviruses.”
The article goes on to point out the study suggests “. . . that patients who survived COVID-19 are likely to also possess protective immunity even against some SARS-CoV-2 variants.”
One thing for certain is, we need to pay more attention to natural immunity which is an important factor in dealing with the COVID outbreak.
JWK
Florida COVID update:
Florida COVID hospitalizations down, per hospital association data
September 3rd 2021
*"The signs continue to point to the fact that COVID-19 hospitalizations have peaked in Florida,” said Mary C. Mayhew, President and CEO, Florida Hospital Association in a statement. “While the total number of hospitalizations remain high and workforce challenges remain, it is encouraging that fewer hospitals are expecting critical staffing and oxygen shortages. As Floridians continue to get vaccinated and with expanded availability of monoclonal antibody treatments for those who test positive, it looks like the worst of this surge may finally be behind us.”
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And in an earlier article, Sept. 2nd, we find, Mary C. Mayhew,
“credited Gov. Ron DeSantis‘ frequent promotion of monoclonal antibody treatments, and his efforts to make them widely available in Florida, as among the reasons for recent improvement and for hope that the summer surge may be waning in the Sunshine State.”
“Mayhew started out on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” show Friday noting Florida has been on the front-end of the nation’s summer surge of COVID-19, with “a dramatic increase in hospitalizations over a seven week period.”___ LINK
JWK
There is more good news. About two weeks after DeSantis took the lead in Florida and started advocating the antibody treatment, and a number of States then followed his lead, the overall deaths from COVID across the United States began to level out, and are now in the decline!
See: Daily confirmed COVID-19 deaths, rolling 7-day average
Of course, our mainstream media will not give Gov. DeSantis the credit for encouraging other States to start making the antibody treatment widely available to their residents . . . their aim is a 24/7 beat up on DeSantis routine, just like they did with President Trump and their phony Russian collusion crap which turned out to be a big fat lie.
JWK
None dare call the Democrat Party Leadership’s arming of the Taliban, (our enemy), with United States’ military equipment, as TREASON. Why?
Not exactly what I was looking for, but close.
DeSantis said the treatment wasn’t about taking away the need for vaccines, which he said were good for protection.
“But you’ve also got to have an ability to treat as well,” DeSantis said. “And so, there’s prevention, but then also the treatment. And for far too long, the treatment was neglected.”
The clip I heard he said the lab coats are not being more vocal about the treatment because they are afraid it will encourage people not to get the vaccine… and that may be at least somewhat true.
Do they have the “right” to manipulate us like that?
Pretty much. The vaccine is good initially but good treatments are in order as well. Both will help keep people out of the hospital.
It seems that common sense has finally prevailed in the COVID outbreak, and effectively treating the virus is now on par with the vaccine, as it should have been from the beginning.
FDA approves new antibody COVID-19 treatment at 6 new state-funded clinics including Missouri
Sep 1, 2021
The state of Missouri is breaking out a new weapon to keep more COVID patients out of hospitals: monoclonal antibody infusions.
The article continues:“You get the effect right away,” said Dr. Karthik Iyer, chief medical officer of Mercy Hospital Jefferson in Festus, which is hosting one of the new infusion centers.
“With vaccines, it still takes time to develop that immunity, the level of antibodies that can ward off the infection but with the monoclonal antibody infusion, the effect starts right away,” Iyer said. “
September 2, 2021
“RALEIGH, N.C. — While doctors have stressed the importance of COVID-19 vaccinations, there are also coronavirus treatments helping sick patients stay out of the hospital.
Monoclonal antibody therapy is gaining popularity in North Carolina — and hospitals throughout the Triangle are seeing the increase in demand.
In June, about 100 people a week were getting monoclonal antibody therapy across the state, but last week, more than 3,000 treatments were given to patients.”
Local doctor encourages monoclonal antibody treatment against COVID-19
Sep 6, 2021
“FAYETTEVILLE, Ark. (KNWA/KFTA) – A local doctor says monoclonal antibodies are our best bet against any already-diagnosed COVID-19 cases.”
The article goes continues: “There are other treatments that have been talked about that I think we’re all just learning the science and we’re all just trying to do the best we can with the information we have,” Dr. Bolding said. “But, as of today, that is the most proven method if you contract Covid.”
It’s about freaken time that common sense has finally prevailed!
JWK
Anakinra just passed a phase 3 randomized trial with excellent results for patients presenting with moderate to severe COVID and a high soluble urokinase plasminogen activator receptor (suPAR) serum level (>6 ng/ml). Significant drops in mortality, ICU time and Vent need and time. It is an Interleukin 1 antagonist commercially available and used to treat RA.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01499-z
I have always felt that the best approach for these patients had to center on mast cells and cytokines, either by addressing TNF (biologics) or Interleukin. Plus mast cell inhibition by Melatonin and histamine suppression by Zrtec and Pepcid. Antiplatelets are also becoming important. Aspirin does the trick here, just a baby one.
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Good info, I’m calling my vet… 
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Very true! This IS a horse med, and a horse med that actually has benefit! Skip the dewormer! This is better. (Please seek professional help if you have moderate to severe COVID, it goes without saying)
I am just pumped a phase 3 trial showed such great results, and published in Nature! That is one tough magazine to get published in, you have to be spot on to get published there. Tougher than NEJM.
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