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Key facts about refugees to the U.S.
A decline in U.S. refugee admissions comes at a time when the number of refugees worldwide has reached the highest levels since World War II.
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I don’t think we should base our immigration policy on one case.
There are officially about 17k refugees in this country. Of course that number will be low. But still, one case out of 17k is no basis for change.
Of course he could have been Norwegian and still planned a bad deed.
What records is right. There were none. Pretty stupid policy when we see how quick and easy this Jihadi wannabee turned.
He hadn’t radicalized yet. All the records in the world wouldn’t have changed that.
I don’t think we should base our immigration policy on one case.
There are officially about 17k refugees in this country. Of course that number will be low. But still, one case out of 17k is no basis for change.
Of course he could have been Norwegian and still planned a bad deed.
I thought we had like 20 million refugees?
WuWei:I don’t think we should base our immigration policy on one case.
There are officially about 17k refugees in this country. Of course that number will be low. But still, one case out of 17k is no basis for change.
Of course he could have been Norwegian and still planned a bad deed.
I thought we had like 20 million refugees?
Not according to the internet. I think there are somewhere in the neighborhood of that legally bearing arms though.
Yeah, with the bodies of dozens of school children being a reasonable sacrifice at the alter of the 2nd amendment, I’m having a hard time showing any ■■■■■ about a non-attack by someone who radicalized years after bringing in refugees from a war torn country.
…like 3? Yeah…that was a long time ago? Remove your feelings and think with your brain…please.
The seeds of radicalization were clearly sewn during his time in Syria.
We could predict this without any paperwork.
Better to take in a couple thousand carefully vetted Syrians than 17,000 unvetted. It was a poor policy decision and we WARNED this would happen.
Not according to the internet. I think there are somewhere in the neighborhood of that legally bearing arms though.
I’m super curious to know what source you used to come to 17k. The annual limit was multiples of that in years past.
Just think through that logically.
WuWei:I don’t think we should base our immigration policy on one case.
There are officially about 17k refugees in this country. Of course that number will be low. But still, one case out of 17k is no basis for change.
Of course he could have been Norwegian and still planned a bad deed.
I thought we had like 20 million refugees?
20 million is world wide (I misread that the first time, seemed a little high).
There are about 3 million in the US.
A decline in U.S. refugee admissions comes at a time when the number of refugees worldwide has reached the highest levels since World War II.
Est. reading time: 6 minutes
WuWei:Not according to the internet. I think there are somewhere in the neighborhood of that legally bearing arms though.
I’m super curious to know what source you used to come to 17k. The annual limit was multiples of that in years past.
Just think through that logically.
Wikipedia. Maybe it was annual, I don’t really care. What’s the right number?
Just think through that logically.
Is that condescension necessary? Think that through.
Ok, 1 in 3MM. Even better.
Camp:You don’t accept refugees where this is a question. There are plenty of refugees that do not have this potential.
Syrians had no records and the Obama administration brought them anyway.
What records would show someone radicalizing years later?
I was talking with an Iraqi refugee last night. This person worked as a translator for US forces during the second Iraq War. They then faced multiple death threats and was shot and wounded one time.
The vetting process took nine years. During that time, two of the children in the family passed their eighteenth birthday and were blocked from entering the US. Both are now in prison in Thailand. The younger children are here.
Be careful that in your hunt for a perfect vetting process, you don’t create the conditions that radicalize people. Sometimes radicalization is a function of the experience have in the US, not necessarily who they were in their home country. Simple solutions may be emotionally satisfying but they don’t necessarily for real people – including people who have put their lives on the line for US interests.
I was talking with an Iraqi refugee last night. This person worked as a translator for US forces during the second Iraq War. They then faced multiple death threats and was shot and wounded one time.
The vetting process took nine years. During that time, two of the children in the family passed their eighteenth birthday and were blocked from entering the US. Both are now in prison in Thailand. The younger children are here.
Be careful that in your hunt for a perfect vetting process, you don’t create the conditions that radicalize people. Sometimes radicalization is a function of the experience have in the US, not necessarily who they were in their home country. Simple solutions may be emotionally satisfying but they don’t necessarily for real people – including people who have put their lives on the line for US interests.
Iraq was another disasterous choice of whether or not “we” should go to war. Bush 2 will go down in history as being one of the worst Presidents of all time…just for this one decision alone.
James Alex Fields - When was he radicalized? How do we vet those people as well?
adroit: Camp:You don’t accept refugees where this is a question. There are plenty of refugees that do not have this potential.
Syrians had no records and the Obama administration brought them anyway.
What records would show someone radicalizing years later?
I was talking with an Iraqi refugee last night. This person worked as a translator for US forces during the second Iraq War. They then faced multiple death threats and was shot and wounded one time.
The vetting process took nine years. During that time, two of the children in the family passed their eighteenth birthday and were blocked from entering the US. Both are now in prison in Thailand. The younger children are here.
Be careful that in your hunt for a perfect vetting process, you don’t create the conditions that radicalize people. Sometimes radicalization is a function of the experience have in the US, not necessarily who they were in their home country. Simple solutions may be emotionally satisfying but they don’t necessarily for real people – including people who have put their lives on the line for US interests.
That’s a good post. I would guess part of the problem is the lack of communication between ministries of Centgov. His time as translator should have counted as “good time” for his Visa. State obviously didn’t do that.
Of course he should have been and probably was vetted to some level before being hired as a translator.
Maybe we should allow the Department of Defense to issue some visas.
Iraq was another disasterous choice of whether or not “we” should go to war. Bush 2 will go down in history as being one of the worst Presidents of all time…just for this one decision alone.
Iraq was not a mistake. It was an inevitable opportunity.
We tried to say NO to accepting too many refugees from Syria too quickly. We were told not to worry and that they would be vetted.
More of a threat in your opinion, Syrian refugees … or right wing extremists?
Who said anything about a perfect vetting process?
I am looking for a pragmatic one and fewer refugees…Not zero…just a moderated number since our entire system is now overburdened.
An Iraqi translator is a much better candidate than any Syrian war refugee. Nine years is much too long in that case. Still better to err on the side of caution.
I have never bought the premise that the US can radicalize a philosophy that predates us by centuries.
I think those who were responsible for “vetting” this individual should be publicly exposed and immediately fired. They should never have the opportunity to make a mistake like this again.
It certainly needs to be heavily reviewed.
I would classify them the same in terms of threat level.
If you can add opiate abusers to the poll, I could pick them.