Supreme court lifts stay on wall construction

[WuWei]

It would appear slippery slopes are one again real. Imagine that.

[JayJay]

@Optrader

Libs complaining about wasting money??

These are the same people that cheered when Obama had 150 BILLION DOLLARS IN CASH loaded onto pallets and flown to Iran and offloaded on a runway so that the Mullahs could use that very money to fund terrorist acts against Americans??

I get it… Anything that hurts or kills Americans is GOOD (like funding planned Parenthood or ISIS, human trafficking, illegal drugs, illegal aliens), anything that protects or saves Americans is BAD (Like a wall or ICE agents or police, ) how do you libs get such ass-backward in your thinking? Must be something in the public school water…

That was Iran’s money.

Before it was given back (before I get this objection back in return), it was frozen in an escrow account. It wasn’t government money. The government couldn’t use it.

I don’t know how many times this has to be repeated before it sinks in.

Probably a lot because you never hear it on the CEC.

[Optrader]

@wonderingrover

@CanadianJudo

Smart Idea can’t wait for Biden to declare poverty a national emergency and take money from the defense budget to combat it.

This is the part that scares the hell out of me with some of the crap Trump is pulling. He is setting the precedent for future presidents to do the same thing with other things. Declare school shootings a national emergency, and a president can bypass 2nd amendment rights. Declare climate change a national emergency, and a president can just willy nilly pass a bunch of new regulations unchecked. Trump supporters really aren’t thinking this thing through. It’s all well and good as long as someone they like is in office - but once the White House changes hands, they’ll realize just what a horrible idea this was.

You guys just had someone in office for 8 years that made a mockery of the Constitution. Welcome to the outrage club!!

[wonderingrover]

@Optrader

@wonderingrover

@CanadianJudo

Smart Idea can’t wait for Biden to declare poverty a national emergency and take money from the defense budget to combat it.

This is the part that scares the hell out of me with some of the crap Trump is pulling. He is setting the precedent for future presidents to do the same thing with other things. Declare school shootings a national emergency, and a president can bypass 2nd amendment rights. Declare climate change a national emergency, and a president can just willy nilly pass a bunch of new regulations unchecked. Trump supporters really aren’t thinking this thing through. It’s all well and good as long as someone they like is in office - but once the White House changes hands, they’ll realize just what a horrible idea this was.

You guys just had someone in office for 8 years that made a mockery of the Constitution. Welcome to the outrage club!!

One slight problem with this theory - I didn’t vote for Obama (if that’s who you’re referring to). I despised him as much as I despise Trump - and for many of the same reasons.

But thanks for playing…

[zonulet]

@hindsight

Entertaining watching so called conservatives abandon all their supposed values.

Talk about high entertainment value, you better hope the liberals don’t abandon their raving over Russia, the Mueller report, mean tweets, wrong think, impeachment, free ponies and the end of our planet in 12yrs.

[adroit]

Haven’t read the whole thread yet, so not sure if this was mentioned.

Am I correct in reading the decision that the stay is terminated immediately if the 9th doesn’t grant the government cert or upon the time of their decision?

[adroit]

@FlameHeart

No, they intended the three branches to have equal power. That’s why there is a checks and balances system spelled out in the Constitution. They never intended for the legislative to have the most power because the Supreme Court can interpret a law unconstitutional, and the President can veto a law.

Madison disagrees in Federalist 51:

These inventions of prudence cannot be less requisite in the distribution of the supreme powers of the State. But it is not possible to give to each department an equal power of self-defense. In republican government, the legislative authority necessarily predominates.

[WuWei]

@adroit

@FlameHeart

No, they intended the three branches to have equal power. That’s why there is a checks and balances system spelled out in the Constitution. They never intended for the legislative to have the most power because the Supreme Court can interpret a law unconstitutional, and the President can veto a law.

Madison disagrees in Federalist 51:

These inventions of prudence cannot be less requisite in the distribution of the supreme powers of the State. But it is not possible to give to each department an equal power of self-defense. In republican government, the legislative authority necessarily predominates.

Sales pitch. Although I believe Madison really tried to believe.

[adroit]

@WuWei

Sales pitch. Although I believe Madison really tried to believe.

Indeed, for all of his genius, he didn’t quite have the forward looking vision that Hamilton had that ultimately made our Republic so great.

[WuWei]

@adroit

@WuWei

Sales pitch. Although I believe Madison really tried to believe.

Indeed, for all of his genius, he didn’t quite have the forward looking vision that Hamilton had that ultimately made our Republic so great.

Stop yanking my chain.

[adroit]

@WuWei

Stop yanking my chain.

Just spitting truth.

We wouldn’t have made it past 1860 without Hamilton’s foundation in place.

[JayJay]

@adroit

@WuWei

Sales pitch. Although I believe Madison really tried to believe.

Indeed, for all of his genius, he didn’t quite have the forward looking vision that Hamilton had that ultimately made our Republic so great.

Are you ■■■■■■■ kidding me?

Hamilton was scum.

[WuWei]

@adroit

@WuWei

Stop yanking my chain.

Just spitting truth.

We wouldn’t have made it past 1860 without Hamilton’s foundation in place.

Seriously dude.

[JayJay]

@adroit

@WuWei

Stop yanking my chain.

Just spitting truth.

We wouldn’t have made it past 1860 without Hamilton’s foundation in place.

I’m not a believer in “one man as catalyst” theories of history.

[WuWei]

@JayJay

@adroit

@WuWei

Stop yanking my chain.

Just spitting truth.

We wouldn’t have made it past 1860 without Hamilton’s foundation in place.

I’m not a believer in “one man as catalyst” theories of history.

Well… that’s a mistake.

[adroit]

@JayJay

Are you ■■■■■■■ kidding me?

Hamilton was scum.

We would have been a shell of a nation without Hamilton. The financial troubles alone would have crushed us without his plans. I agree that Madison was key as well, but he just didn’t have the forethought and vision that allowed us to end up being the juggernaut of a nation we are now due to our financial and manufacturing capabilities that Hamilton propped up.

[JayJay]

@adroit

@JayJay

Are you ■■■■■■■ kidding me?

Hamilton was scum.

We would have been a shell of a nation without Hamilton. The financial troubles alone would have crushed us without his plans. I agree that Madison was key as well, but he just didn’t have the forethought and vision that allowed us to end up being the juggernaut of a nation we are now due to our financial and manufacturing capabilities that Hamilton propped up.

Without Jeffersonian influences, including the fact that his vision ruled for some 30 years (early aughts to the 30s), we would have become much more authoritarian and economically divided than we are now…perhaps sooner.

Hamilton’s plans did help create an engine of economic growth but a lot of that day’s “forgotten” paid a terrible human price because of what he did.

[Smyrna]

Let’s get on with it and build that wall. Even the SCOTUS realizes it’s the correct thing to do.

[JayJay]

@Smyrna

Let’s get on with it and build that wall. Even the SCOTUS realizes it’s the correct thing to do.

No, SCOTUS simply said Trump can reallocate funds as he sees fit in an emergency.

They made no judgement as to whether the wall “is the right thing to do”.

And as has been pointed out, there are still other suits coming. I think this one was a narrow ruling that the Sierra Club couldn’t bring the suit?

[adroit]

@JayJay

Without Jeffersonian influences, including the fact that his vision ruled for some 30 years (early aughts to the 30s), we would have become much more authoritarian and economically divided than we are now…perhaps sooner.

Hamilton’s plans did help create an engine of economic growth but a lot of that day’s “forgotten” paid a terrible human price because of what he did.

Jefferson was a sociopath who wanted us to go the way of the way of the republicans in France. He cheered on the murderous Jacobins. ■■■■ him.