Strategy - TICTI - Test, Isolate, Contact Trace, Isolate

WildRose · 2020-04-24T02:52:52.932Z

You do realize that anyone can be infected five minutes after they are tested don’t you?

We can’t test 200,000,000 people daily, weekly, or monthly to ensure they remain disease free. No country on earth has that kind of capacity.

WildRose · 2020-04-24T02:56:07.706Z

You’re kinda making my point.

When however they go bankrupt and are forced to shutdown things will collapse quickly.

At any given time we have about a 30-90 day supply of food in storage, after that things come apart awfully quickly.

All of those “essential workers” are at risk every day of becoming infected themselves, sick themselves, and risk spreading it to everyone they come in contact with so his theory holds no water.

There is no possible way to keep everyone in the country under quarantine awaiting testing and test results. To do so would ensure a complete economic collapse.

WildRose · 2020-04-24T05:25:19.177Z

We can handle that with just good hygiene, social distancing and surface cleaning and disinfecting.

I predict an explosion in UV disinfecting systems marketed to businesses and maybe even homes.

We also have a very good handle on the most vulnerable populations and we can isolate and protect them easily.

Ben_Natuf · 2020-04-24T05:54:35.686Z

WuWei:

So you what do you do with the asymptomatic positives?

burn them!

Ben_Natuf · 2020-04-24T06:01:50.602Z

ticti: waste of time and money.

WildRose · 2020-04-24T06:05:04.820Z

I wonder if these people have even for a moment thought about who is going to raking in the billions for providing these tests and processing them?

Ben_Natuf · 2020-04-24T06:07:04.358Z

is labcorp publicly traded? might be a buying opportunity!

WildRose · 2020-04-24T06:08:28.860Z

The rich mega corps they hate or claim to are going to be the beneficiaries here.

Toll_Collector · 2020-04-24T07:18:32.818Z

noah:

Until we get a handle on the R0 (’‘R Naught’’), the number of people an infected person can in turn infect, it’s going to be difficult to fully return to normal. An R0 of over 1 meaning an infected person is infecting more than one other person gets to be an exponential problem that gets out of hand very quickly.

Over a 1 isn’t all that bad. The seasonal flu is a 2.3

The Ro was originally guesstimated somewhere between 2-3. Most put it in the 3 area. Researchers recently put it up to 5.7 which I find to be ridiculous. They came up with that useing statistics from Wuhan China. But 5.7? That’s like smallpox.

WildRose · 2020-04-24T07:19:33.787Z

You can’t even accurately apply it to influenza unless you have a completely unvaccinated population to tabulate.

Toll_Collector · 2020-04-24T07:23:36.233Z

WildRose:

You can’t even accurately apply it to influenza unless you have a completely unvaccinated population to tabulate.

No not accurately. I’m pretty sure calculated assuming no immunity. So a 2.3 of something we have no immunity towards would be much worse than the 2.3 seasonal flu.

WildRose · 2020-04-24T07:26:44.798Z

There’s a reason we spend hundreds of billions on flu vaccines and anti virals every year.

We seem overrun with people who are so young the 80’s and 90’s seem like ancient history.

Pandemics are natural cullings. We can fight them but really all we can do is try to limit the damage, we cannot prevent it.

One way or another we have to get back to work and live with the consequences or things will be far, far worse due to the cure being worse than the disease.

Toll_Collector · 2020-04-24T07:30:42.885Z

WildRose:

There’s a reason we spend hundreds of billions on flu vaccines and anti virals every year.

We seem overrun with people who are so young the 80’s and 90’s seem like ancient history.

Pandemics are natural cullings. We can fight them but really all we can do is try to limit the damage, we cannot prevent it.

One way or another we have to get back to work and live with the consequences or things will be far, far worse due to the cure being worse than the disease.

I agree. And if the Ro of this thing is anywhere near 5+ then no amount of social distancing is going to defeat this. It will find a way to most people. I’m pretty sure it’s not, only because I am fairly certain I would have got it by now. But we really don’t know yet.

WildRose · 2020-04-24T07:43:23.763Z

Do you know where the term “spring cleaning” came from, what it entailed and why it was done?

tnt · 2020-04-24T12:54:04.000Z

WildRose:

If you’re going to use religion for a club here you better start citing some scriptures that back your argument up.

You need scripture to tell you posting sexist memes is unchristian?

WuWei · 2020-04-24T13:28:32.595Z

Ben_Natuf:

ticti: waste of time and money.

Not if you’re an epidemiologist with unlimited funding.

Of what practical value is it? To learn from for next time? Yeah, bureaucracies don’t do that.

WuWei · 2020-04-24T13:30:51.338Z

tnt:

WildRose:

If you’re going to use religion for a club here you better start citing some scriptures that back your argument up.

You need scripture to tell you posting sexist memes is unchristian?

Is it? Strange.

Toll_Collector · 2020-04-24T14:25:18.897Z

WildRose:

Do you know where the term “spring cleaning” came from, what it entailed and why it was done?

No. Just “raining cats and dogs”.

WildRose · 2020-04-25T08:52:25.244Z

If you’re going to make the claim you should be able to support it with scriptural references.

WildRose · 2020-04-25T08:54:32.957Z

Because after a long winter in cold temps there’s a hell of a lot of microbes on everything. Move it all outside in the sun for a few hours and you eliminate most of it.

“Sunshine” really is a great antiseptic.