Stop whining and buy a Tesla

[Striker840]

@FreeAndClear

Yeah that’s why i said some places. The point was to show gas prices were going up. Yes Ohio was def less than cali but more in 2019 than 2016.

Nobody ever said otherwise, I am kind of confused as to what point you’re trying to make. Nobody has said gas prices didn’t rise before 2019, gas prices rise and fall all the time.

[FreeAndClear]

@Striker840

@FreeAndClear

Yeah that’s why i said some places. The point was to show gas prices were going up. Yes Ohio was def less than cali but more in 2019 than 2016.

Nobody ever said otherwise, I am kind of confused as to what point you’re trying to make. Nobody has said gas prices didn’t rise before 2019, gas prices rise and fall all the time.

Respectfully (i mean that) Plenty of others have or have ignored the rise. Your rationality doesn’t always extend to others. My side of the aisle isn’t better

[GWH]

@Borgia_dude

It is true because most of Alaskan development happened before significantly lower cost alternatives existed.

This curve says it all about how oil companies view Alaska.

Which the decline in production can be summed up in two words, Exxon Valdez.

[GWH]

Comparing the California price to national average.

Less than $3 until May 2021. Was even trending down just before Rona.

[Borgia_dude]

@Samm

@Borgia_dude

@Samm

@Borgia_dude

@Samm

@Borgia_dude

@Samm

@Borgia_dude

@Samm

No, but he has severely restricted that opportunity on Federal land. Oil production is up on State and private land, but it could be up considerably more if Biden would reverse is policies and get the Federal government back into the business of encouraging mineral production (all minerals, not just oil) on Federal land.

No, federal land doesn’t have anywhere near the oil private does (in unconventionals). Most of the valuable land is in NM and that doesn’t account for much of the Permian.

But yes, it would help. It just isn’t so onerous.

You are fooling yourself. The oil potential of the NPR-A, 1002 ANWR and the offshore areas alone are tremendous.

You are ignoring relative cost to produce. ANWR, for example would be very expensive. Pretty much the most expensive oil there is.

The last Alaskan bid was disastrous.

You clearly don’t know what you are talking about. The relative cost to produce from ANWR would be less than from producing leases in the western NPR. And it would considerably less than offshore production in the Beaufort or Chukchi Seas. The last Alaska bid (which was in ANWR) was disappointing (not disastrous) because most of the regular players were hesitant to play until the election was over and thus sat it out. And as it turns out, their reservations were justified as Biden voided the perfectly valid leases for purely political reasons.

I was comparing ANWR to global areas, not NPR, or offshore Arctic.

ANWR remains too expensive versus the alternatives and the alternatives are unconventional plays in the lower 48 and deepwater around the world. Both far less costly.

That the last Alaska bid didn’t attract a single major and almost all the bids went to an Alaskan development company and at prices less that’s anticipated shows how those areas are valued by the majors.

If what you say was true, there would be no oil production in Alaska at all. Fortunately, you are wrong.

It is true because most of Alaskan development happened before significantly lower cost alternatives existed.

This curve says it all about how oil companies view Alaska.

No. That curve reflects the depletion of the initial large discoveries in and around Prudhoe
Bay. Production today is mostly from smaller, farther flung fields.

And displays a lack of further investment.

Look, Alaska may be attractive in the future but it just isn’t now.

[FreeAndClear]

Yea it was but Rona here not rona internationally. Gas was dropping because countries started to get hit. Remember us got hit in March. But Europe was hit earlier.

[hwyflier]

Stop whining and buy a Tesla isn’t bad advice. Solution to a lot of things really.

[Rurudyne]

I’d rather never whine and convert an old car to producer gas.

[hwyflier]

@Rurudyne

I’d rather never whine and convert an old car to producer gas.

That sounds fun to build, but can it throw you back in your seat like a tesla? Off to youtube I go to find charcoal powered drag races…

I’m also not opposed to stop whining and bbq.

[Rurudyne]

High performance can come in many forms, including making environmentalists cry.

[hwyflier]

@Rurudyne

High performance can come in many forms, including making environmentalists cry.

The new stupid thing i got fits in the garage by 1", front back and up. But it has an eco mode so its cool.

[Rurudyne]

Btw, practical and safe hydrogen storage and therefore hydrogen power has been possible for decades but the federal government will not let mere citizens buy or sell lithium 6 hydride (deuteride? can’t recall which).

Instead they are pushing battery pipe dreams.

[hwyflier]

@Rurudyne

Instead they are pushing battery pipe dreams.

What’s the pipe dream when we’ve got battery powered cars cruising around all over the place for years now? The new tesla factory is spitting them out the back door in Texas before their building is even finished

[Rurudyne]

And yet the same environmentalists that love them will fight tooth and nail against a power grid to support them.

[RTchoke]

@hwyflier

Stop whining and buy a Tesla isn’t bad advice. Solution to a lot of things really.

[Samm]

@GWH

Which the decline in production can be summed up in two words, Exxon Valdez.

Actually. The Exxon Valdez incident had no effect on production. Oil production from the Prudhoe Bay field had peaked about two years before.

[Samm]

@Borgia_dude

And displays a lack of further investment.

Look, Alaska may be attractive in the future but it just isn’t now.

Investment does not put oil into the ground. Prudhoe was an anomaly. No other field on the North Slope comes close. But it is stupid to think that the reason that production is down, is because investment is not taking place.

[Borgia_dude]

@Samm

@Borgia_dude

And displays a lack of further investment.

Look, Alaska may be attractive in the future but it just isn’t now.

Investment does not put oil into the ground. Prudhoe was an anomaly. No other field on the North Slope comes close. But it is stupid to think that the reason that production is down, is because investment is not taking place.

With the breakeven point of Alaskan oil being so high compared to other alternatives, why would YOU invest capital in it?

[bigtwnvin]

Not for millions of folks who not only can’t afford one or any new car for that matter. The peeps are hanging on to what they have. Seen the used car prices lately?

[bigtwnvin]

I love the Valdez incident when it’s invoked.
The Valdez struck a well known nav hazard (reef) in Prince William Sound because the drunken captain allowed an unlicensed 3rd mate to navigate the massive tanker.
Totally unavoidable like most maritime disasters.