Agreed. It’s an excuse for a money grab.
you cant compare apples and oranges, but given the right conditions they will both still rot
Jezcoe
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Organic farming on a large scale is not “green” nor will it feed all of the people in the world.
The push against GMO’s is dumb.
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conan
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Or it lines their own pockets.
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conan
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And no Jez…not being sarcastic when I hit like on your post. You finally said something that I agree with. 
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Jezcoe
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I try to be for what brings the best outcomes.
conan
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Precisely, now having said that we have to be careful of chemicals we use.
But destroying more rain forest to produce more food that is lost to green farming isn’t going green.
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Guvnah
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There are so many meanings to the term “green”.
From the perspective of not pouring synthetic fertilizers on the land, or toxic insecticides and herbicides, it’s green. At least it’s healthier to the environment and the consumer than most commercial methods.
But it’s not as productive.
And it still requires engine-powered equipment (and the pollution that generates.) And shipping and packaging, etc.
Amen.
Jezcoe
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“Organic” farming uses just as much toxic fertilizers, insecticides and herbicides… they are just considered to be “natural”.
It is a myth that “organic” farming uses less or less toxic chemicals.
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Rodeo
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I love Cargill…feed Nutrena…
That said…
We need to stop forcing this green thing. I’m sorry that seems to go against the prevailing wisdom in this thread but woke green-ism sure seems to be doing way more damage than it is providing any solutions.
I m old enough to have lived thru multiple claims that the environmental sky is falling…
And those claims never come true. Today we need to feed and fuel the world and stop buying into the climate change lie.
If what you are proposing is a slow transition in farming techniques that will allow the less than 2% of our population that feeds the country to continue to produce our food and perhaps to even increase production then ok…
But in general this “go green” stuff imho seems to be causing way more damage than it is solving any problems.
WuWei
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Takes a lot for a zealot to lose faith.
My favorite is that no less than Lurch Kerry has admitted nothing we do in the US will make a difference.
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zantax
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Yeah, sort of like the nitrate scare. Ok, now here is organic nitrates from celery instead, only one problem, artificial nitrate and organic nitrate are the same exact chemical.
conan
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Here is good article.
Energy The real-world consequences of green extremism By Hugo Gurdon, Editor-in-Chief July 13, 2022 02:46 PM Twitter LinkedIn Facebook Email Print Energy The real-world consequences of green extremism By Hugo Gurdon, Editor-in-Chief July 13, 2022...
Est. reading time: 6 minutes
Excessively tight emissions rules, which amount to “anti-farming policies,” have triggered protests across Europe. They started in the Netherlands, where 30% of farms might be put out of business. And they have spread to Germany, Italy, Spain, and Poland, where farmers fear being subjected to the same privations.
If, as expected, bureaucratic meddling slashes Dutch output — the Netherlands is one of the biggest and most efficient farming nations in the world — production will shift to less efficient, more polluting producers elsewhere.
They’re doing the very same thing that drove out our manufacturing base to other countries that don’t meet our environmental standards.
Meanwhile we have empty unplanted fields throughout Midwest.
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Rodeo
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This paragraph from your link says a lot…
“Intolerant “liberals” keen to “save the planet” are ruining it — officiously preventing the poor from lifting themselves out of poverty, forcing wealthy nations to retreat from comfort and efficiency into backwardness, even killing people by the hundreds of thousands.”
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Rodeo
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Conan that is a great piece you found.
“ The results of shortsighted, self-defeating enviro-extremism are bad enough in rich nations. But they are even worse in the undeveloped world. In Sri Lanka, which banned chemical fertilizers in a fit of adherence to global green pressure, crops collapsed and food inflation spiked to 80% in June. The result has been a public revolt, including the overthrow of the president and an occupation of his palace by disgruntled citizens.
The specter of starvation is now being reported from Africa, and the latest analysis from the U.N. World Food Program suggests that 670 million people, 8% of the world’s population, will face hunger by the end of the decade.
The World Health Organization calculates that 439,000 Africans die every year from indoor air pollution because they are forced — for cooking, lighting, and heating — to burn charcoal and cattle dung, which one researcher compared to smoking 400 cigarettes per hour in the home. The reason Africans still use these primitive methods to generate energy is that green ideologues in rich nations won’t allow them to get financing to build coal-fired power stations.”
There is your green energy revolution in the nutshell folks.
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WuWei
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Enviro-zealots
Enviro-fanatics
Enviro Supremacists
Enviro-fascists
Safiel
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I want to differentiate between the political green extremism (top down, ham fisted approach) and those, like myself, who promote a voluntary, grassroots effort, with corporations like my own stepping in to assist and protect farmers in the transition to more modern and efficient methods.
The political green extremists are bad.
But voluntary efforts, when done with the education, knowledge and cooperation of ALL stakeholders, is a laudable thing.
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