Speaker Pelosi announces Select Committee to investigate 1/6 insurrection

biggestal99 · 2021-09-03T15:10:48.441Z

zantax:

No different than the people who defend droning American citizens without due process

Of course the drone killings weren’t in the United States.

So there is that difference. We have never droned anyone residing in the United States.

Padilla was arrested in the United States.

Allan

zantax · 2021-09-03T15:11:51.556Z

biggestal99:

zantax:

No different than the people who defend droning American citizens without due process

Of course the drone killings weren’t in the United States.

So there is that difference. We have never droned anyone residing in the United States.

Padilla was arrested in the United States.

Allan

Cant see that the constitution makes that distinction.

biggestal99 · 2021-09-03T15:19:21.856Z

zantax:

Cant see that the constitution makes that distinction.

Obviously it does.

If you are arrested in the UK are you read your Miranda rights?

Do you retain any of your American rights when visiting/living in a foreign country.

Allan

zantax · 2021-09-03T15:24:55.113Z

biggestal99:

zantax:

Cant see that the constitution makes that distinction.

Obviously it does.

If you are arrested in the UK are you read your Miranda rights?

Do you retain any of your American rights when visiting/living in a foreign country.

Allan

The US can’t arrest me in the UK, moot point. And yes, I retain all of my rights when I travel as so far as the US government is concerned.

biggestal99 · 2021-09-03T15:40:57.123Z

zantax:

The US can’t arrest me in the UK, moot point. And yes, I retain all of my rights when I travel as so far as the US government is concerned.

So how exactly do you hold rights when you can’t invoke them.

If you rob a bank, you are subject to laws of the nation you are in and retain none of your rights as an UnIted states citizen.

Sorry It doesn’t happen.

Your rights go poof as soon as you cross the border.

Allan

zantax · 2021-09-03T15:52:00.623Z

So you are of the opinion that the minute I step outside the border all my rights vanish and the US government can scoop me up and black hole me indefinitely? Sorry, can’t agree. The bill of rights doesn’t specify location.

biggestal99 · 2021-09-03T16:00:58.049Z

zantax:

So you are of the opinion that the minute I step outside the border all my rights vanish and the US government can scoop me up and black hole me indefinitely? Sorry, can’t agree. The bill of rights doesn’t specify location.

Did you not hear of third party ghost sites where people where tortured by the United States?

Where were their rights?

Lol.

Allan

zantax · 2021-09-03T19:35:37.392Z

biggestal99:

zantax:

So you are of the opinion that the minute I step outside the border all my rights vanish and the US government can scoop me up and black hole me indefinitely? Sorry, can’t agree. The bill of rights doesn’t specify location.

Did you not hear of third party ghost sites where people where tortured by the United States?

Where were their rights?

Lol.

Allan

The difference is, you think it’s constitutional.

Samm · 2021-09-03T20:26:04.570Z

TommyLucchese:

Samm:

Is that the new deal for America? Hold suspects in solitary confinement without bail until they go crazy and confess to something?

Lol you used to talk about how prisoners should all be kept in solitary and fed bread and water in every jail.

That’s a really pathetic response Tommy. If you are going to make ■■■■ up, at least you could make it more vivid.

Samm · 2021-09-03T20:28:30.398Z

TommyLucchese:

Samm:

Have you read the Bill of Rights?

Where does it ban pretrial detention?

If I go into the bail threads from a few months ago, I’m going to find you supporting the elimination of cash bail, right?

Here you go again … making ■■■■ up. Really Tommy, if you are going to keep accusing me of holding opinions that you think I hold, you could at least quote me on something that fits your assertion.

Samm · 2021-09-03T20:30:00.931Z

biggestal99:

Samm:

Have you read the Bill of Rights?

For or against w holding citizen Jose Padilla captured in the United States as an enemy combatant without due process?

Then we will know all about your stance on the bill of rights.

So what are you saying here? That since the Constitution has been violated in the past that it’s okay to violate it again?

biggestal99 · 2021-09-03T20:33:05.279Z

zantax:

The difference is, you think it’s constitutional.

the constitution does not apply overseas.

Try taking a bible into Saudi Arabia for instance.

No freedom of religion there.

Allan

zantax · 2021-09-03T20:34:18.708Z

biggestal99:

zantax:

The difference is, you think it’s constitutional.

the constitution does not apply overseas.

Try taking a bible into Saudi Arabia for instance.

No freedom of religion there.

Allan

I didn’t say Saudi Arabia had to recognize them. But even if they don’t that doesn’t remove them.

Supreme_War_Pig · 2021-09-03T21:34:50.839Z

TommyLucchese:

Samm:

Have you read the Bill of Rights?

Where does it ban pretrial detention?

If I go into the bail threads from a few months ago, I’m going to find you supporting the elimination of cash bail, right?

Pre trial detention has been the way of things for many years now. @zantax: just because you have recently been made aware of it doesn’t change that, nor does it make it unconstitutional.

Unless one is wealthy, the American criminal justice system sucks. Moreover, this is not a new brand of oppression leveled at people you align with politically. It is simply the way it is.

sikofit · 2021-09-03T21:56:52.400Z

zantax:

So you are of the opinion that the minute I step outside the border all my rights vanish and the US government can scoop me up and black hole me indefinitely? Sorry, can’t agree. The bill of rights doesn’t specify location.

The bill of rights do not extend beyond our borders

TommyLucchese · 2021-09-03T22:54:10.115Z

Supreme_War_Pig:

Pre trial detention has been the way of things for many years now.

Lol people sit in the county jail for weeks waiting for formal arraignment. Bail is intentionally put just beyond their reach financially, usually ten thousand cash or bond. Then at the formal arraignment the judge just released them on their own recognizance.

These January 6th dudes sat in the bing for a couple days and started acting like Tim Robbins in Shawshank Redemption.

TommyLucchese · 2021-09-03T22:56:23.023Z

Samm:

That’s a really pathetic response Tommy. If you are going to make ■■■■ up, at least you could make it more vivid.

You did used to say that. In fact, you’ve never shown a whit of sympathy for people in our joke of a criminal justice system until dudes that looked like you of your social class and political persuasion got honestly pretty light handling and now you’re running a cup along the bars and chanting Attica.

DougBH · 2021-09-03T22:57:56.097Z

sikofit:

zantax:

So you are of the opinion that the minute I step outside the border all my rights vanish and the US government can scoop me up and black hole me indefinitely? Sorry, can’t agree. The bill of rights doesn’t specify location.

The bill of rights do not extend beyond our borders

Tell it to this judge.

“SAN DIEGO (AP) — A federal judge ruled Thursday that the U.S. government’s practice of denying migrants a chance to apply for asylum on the Mexican border until space opens up to process claims is unconstitutional.”

Judge says forcing waits in Mexico to seek asylum is illegal (yahoo.com)

Supreme_War_Pig · 2021-09-03T23:29:49.421Z

TommyLucchese:

Samm:

That’s a really pathetic response Tommy. If you are going to make ■■■■ up, at least you could make it more vivid.

You did used to say that. In fact, you’ve never shown a whit of sympathy for people in our joke of a criminal justice system until dudes that looked like you of your social class and political persuasion got honestly pretty light handling and now you’re running a cup along the bars and chanting Attica.

Ain’t that the truth. And we aren’t even talking about the real dregs of the system. Talk to African Americans caught up in Cook County or Rikers. Especially Rikers.

TommyLucchese · 2021-09-03T23:31:57.819Z

Supreme_War_Pig:

Ain’t that the truth. And we aren’t even talking about the real dregs of the system. Talk to African Americans caught up in Cook County or Rikers. Especially Rikers.

“The Bing,” before it became a general term for county jail, referred specifically to the maximum security pod on Rikers Island.