“Soul of the Nation”

DougBH · 2022-09-07T21:57:35.387Z

Orygun:

thinkingman:

so much for the first amendment

were the democrats who questioned the election of 2016 fascists too?

In the beginning, questioning is fine. Judicial review is fine. Audits are fine when the election is very close.

Attempting coups is not ok. Demanding reinstatement is not fine. Pardoning violent criminals who attempted a coup is not fine. Supporting that is fascist.

Trump made his argument. It lost in the courts, it lost in congress. Trump did not try to use force to take over after that. True, he continued to complain, just like Hillary when she said the election was stolen from her.

Orygun · 2022-09-07T21:58:18.305Z

STODR:

I will ask again what is a semi fascists?

People who are willing to be open to the idea of seizing power and installing autocratic rule. I’d add that this involves bending reality and “truth” until overthrowing democracy seems reasonable. Theres more but again lets start with that.

Id say the “semi” is simply a cop out.

BraveGear · 2022-09-07T21:58:19.055Z

STODR:

I will ask again what is a semi fascists?

The term “Semi-Fascist” is the new buzz word for those wishing to call Conservatives the “N…Z” word that has become overused and not allowed in certain forums.

Otherwise, it’s the very same thing under a different name.

Orygun · 2022-09-07T21:59:16.451Z

DougBH:

Trump made his argument. It lost in the courts, it lost in congress. Trump did not try to use force to take over after that.

My heavens is that all an enormous understatement.

STODR · 2022-09-07T21:59:56.656Z

So magas are facists not semi facists

Supreme_War_Pig · 2022-09-07T22:01:08.747Z

DougBH:

Orygun:

thinkingman:

so much for the first amendment

were the democrats who questioned the election of 2016 fascists too?

In the beginning, questioning is fine. Judicial review is fine. Audits are fine when the election is very close.

Attempting coups is not ok. Demanding reinstatement is not fine. Pardoning violent criminals who attempted a coup is not fine. Supporting that is fascist.

Trump made his argument. It lost in the courts, it lost in congress. Trump did not try to use force to take over after that. True, he continued to complain, just like Hillary when she said the election was stolen from her.

No but force was deployed on his behalf. And he encouraged it.

And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore

~The Former Guy

Orygun · 2022-09-07T22:02:33.296Z

STODR:

So magas are facists not semi facists

I would differentiate.

Again lets start with this. Here are your semi-fascists.

Yahoo News

New poll finds 33 percent of GOP support actions of Jan. 6 rioters

A third of the Republicans polled in a new survey said they supported the actions of supporters of former President Trump who broke into the Capitol building on Jan. 6, 2021. While the poll by Global Strategy Group found majorities back the Jan. 6...

Then you have Trump voters who don’t condone overthrowing the government but believe The Big Lie. They will also defend Trump from any accusation. I’d call them MAGAs. Another term would be 5th Avers.

Then you have folks who don’t believe the Big Lie, know that most of what Trump is doing/saying is ethically wrong and mendacious but will still defend him because of brand and tribe loyalty. Those I call MAGA enablers.

STODR · 2022-09-07T22:02:59.929Z

Are not all politicians fighting like hell to keep their seat

DougBH · 2022-09-07T22:03:58.555Z

That’s just the politician term…as in Pelosi saying Democrats will continue to fight for women’s reproductive rights.

BraveGear · 2022-09-07T22:04:13.833Z

Orygun:

Then you have Trump voters who don’t condone overthrowing the government but believe The Big Lie. I’d call them MAGAs.

If Republicans wanted to overthrow the government, you would know it by now.

STODR · 2022-09-07T22:04:31.761Z

You already said semi was a cop out.

STODR · 2022-09-07T22:04:42.949Z

You already said semi was a cop out.

Orygun · 2022-09-07T22:04:52.477Z

STODR:

You already said semi was a cop out.

Ha ha- got me. OK fascists.

BraveGear · 2022-09-07T22:07:06.140Z

Orygun:

Ha ha- got me. OK fascists.

“All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing agaisnt the state”
― Benito Mussolini

JayJay · 2022-09-07T22:09:23.216Z

STODR:

Are not all politicians fighting like hell to keep their seat

Not after they have demonstrably lost.

And not by encouraging a mob…and attempt to coerce other officials into violating the law.

But I get the desperate need to believe Trump was no different from any other politician after they lost…

Supreme_War_Pig · 2022-09-07T22:10:27.737Z

STODR:

Are not all politicians fighting like hell to keep their seat

Maybe, but that’s not what he said.

Supreme_War_Pig:

And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore

~The Former Guy

enki · 2022-09-07T22:12:02.014Z

JayJay:

STODR:

Are not all politicians fighting like hell to keep their seat

Not after they have demonstrably lost.

And not by encouraging a mob…and attempt to coerce other officials into violating the law.

But I get the desperate need to believe Trump was no different from any other politician after they lost…

The fake electors scheme was pretty wild.

Supreme_War_Pig · 2022-09-07T22:12:12.073Z

BraveGear:

Orygun:

Ha ha- got me. OK fascists.

“All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing agaisnt the state”
― Benito Mussolini

An accurate quote correctly attributed!

Attaboy!

Guntsu · 2022-09-07T22:17:49.655Z

DougBH:

Trump made his argument. It lost in the courts, it lost in congress. Trump did not try to use force to take over after that. True, he continued to complain, just like Hillary when she said the election was stolen from her.

No, he did more then complain he has continued to accuse

margaretms2 · 2022-09-07T22:19:47.804Z

Don’t forget the fine work of John “Red, White, and Coup” Eastman and Willliam “If they call it martial law, we’ll say ‘Fake news!’” Olson. Both deserve to live in a toilet.