Sondland, Trump's appointee, changes testimony to say there was clear quid pro quo

madasheck · 2019-11-05T23:53:19.660Z

Axxowiz:

I care as much as the left would if the situation was reversed. One can sit around and polish their halos while saying they wouldn’t vote for so and so candidate but at the end of the day the majority of people know and have known who they are voting for.

I wouldn’t be so sure of that. There are people in this country who do have ethics in who they vote for. Just because they voted for Trump once doesn’t mean they’ll do it again.

Apocalypto · 2019-11-05T23:56:10.800Z

Axxowiz:

Apocalypto:

apathy

Three years of non stop talking about and reading about the same thing of any topic gets boring. But for those who don’t mind to peek ahead on what’s in store I put a spoiler in at the bottom.

“Spoiler alert” Season 3 episode 21 of “The Impeachment Saga. House impeaches Trump, Senate overwhelming doesn’t.

Do you admit that trump has committed impeachable offenses?

madasheck · 2019-11-05T23:59:04.678Z

Blackwolf:

madasheck:

It took until late in the game for some Republicans to change their minds about Nixon. It could still happen here, but the difference between then and now in my recollections is the absolute determination to stay in power now no matter what especially by Republicans.

Nixon was a bit before my time, can’t speak to that in terms of comparing the two. I will say I’d be happily surprised to see Republicans change their minds in the present day.

Things were definitely different and I would love to hear from anyone who lived through Watergate to say what they remember. The country was different. That’s what’s so weird about now.

Kelby · 2019-11-06T00:05:41.031Z

madasheck:

Blackwolf:

madasheck:

It took until late in the game for some Republicans to change their minds about Nixon. It could still happen here, but the difference between then and now in my recollections is the absolute determination to stay in power now no matter what especially by Republicans.

Nixon was a bit before my time, can’t speak to that in terms of comparing the two. I will say I’d be happily surprised to see Republicans change their minds in the present day.

Things were definitely different and I would love to hear from anyone who lived through Watergate to say what they remember. The country was different. That’s what’s so weird about now.

I barely remember it myself, but I know there were many fewer sources of “information”…between the nightly news and newspapers, which basically all said about the same thing about current events. People weren’t inculcated by a “news” network into believing everything Nixon had to say in his defense, unlike these days with Trump.

WorldWatcher · 2019-11-06T00:11:13.044Z

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Got a text from Ambassador Sondland about 15 minutes ago.

Said: "Well there goes a million dollar bribe down the ■■■■■■■■■
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NuffSaid · 2019-11-06T00:13:22.755Z

madasheck:

Blackwolf:

madasheck:

It took until late in the game for some Republicans to change their minds about Nixon. It could still happen here, but the difference between then and now in my recollections is the absolute determination to stay in power now no matter what especially by Republicans.

Nixon was a bit before my time, can’t speak to that in terms of comparing the two. I will say I’d be happily surprised to see Republicans change their minds in the present day.

Things were definitely different and I would love to hear from anyone who lived through Watergate to say what they remember. The country was different. That’s what’s so weird about now.

It was a time when eventually country was greater than party. Nowadays it’s Trump is greater than country.

Apocalypto · 2019-11-06T00:13:57.956Z

Kelby:

madasheck:

Blackwolf:

madasheck:

It took until late in the game for some Republicans to change their minds about Nixon. It could still happen here, but the difference between then and now in my recollections is the absolute determination to stay in power now no matter what especially by Republicans.

Nixon was a bit before my time, can’t speak to that in terms of comparing the two. I will say I’d be happily surprised to see Republicans change their minds in the present day.

Things were definitely different and I would love to hear from anyone who lived through Watergate to say what they remember. The country was different. That’s what’s so weird about now.

I barely remember it myself, but I know there were many fewer sources of “information”…between the nightly news and newspapers, which basically all said about the same thing about current events. People weren’t inculcated by a “news” network into believing everything Nixon had to say in his defense, unlike these days with Trump.

I assume there was no 24-hour news network back in those days and most folks depended on the 3 big networks to deliver the (non-opinionated) nightly news which most Americans watched.

Kelby · 2019-11-06T00:17:36.193Z

Apocalypto:

Kelby:

madasheck:

Blackwolf:

madasheck:

It took until late in the game for some Republicans to change their minds about Nixon. It could still happen here, but the difference between then and now in my recollections is the absolute determination to stay in power now no matter what especially by Republicans.

Nixon was a bit before my time, can’t speak to that in terms of comparing the two. I will say I’d be happily surprised to see Republicans change their minds in the present day.

Things were definitely different and I would love to hear from anyone who lived through Watergate to say what they remember. The country was different. That’s what’s so weird about now.

I barely remember it myself, but I know there were many fewer sources of “information”…between the nightly news and newspapers, which basically all said about the same thing about current events. People weren’t inculcated by a “news” network into believing everything Nixon had to say in his defense, unlike these days with Trump.

I assume there was no 24-hour news network back in those days and most folks depended on the 3 big networks to deliver the nightly news which most Americans watched.

Correct. I think the around the clock coverage started with the Iranian hostage crisis, and morphed from there.

madasheck · 2019-11-06T00:33:58.923Z

Kelby:

Apocalypto:

Kelby:

madasheck:

Blackwolf:

madasheck:

It took until late in the game for some Republicans to change their minds about Nixon. It could still happen here, but the difference between then and now in my recollections is the absolute determination to stay in power now no matter what especially by Republicans.

Nixon was a bit before my time, can’t speak to that in terms of comparing the two. I will say I’d be happily surprised to see Republicans change their minds in the present day.

Things were definitely different and I would love to hear from anyone who lived through Watergate to say what they remember. The country was different. That’s what’s so weird about now.

I barely remember it myself, but I know there were many fewer sources of “information”…between the nightly news and newspapers, which basically all said about the same thing about current events. People weren’t inculcated by a “news” network into believing everything Nixon had to say in his defense, unlike these days with Trump.

I assume there was no 24-hour news network back in those days and most folks depended on the 3 big networks to deliver the nightly news which most Americans watched.

Correct. I think the around the clock coverage started with the Iranian hostage crisis, and morphed from there.

I think that’s about when it started, though I can’t recall for sure. But there was definitely no 24-hour news back in the Nixon era.

madasheck · 2019-11-06T00:37:12.221Z

BlueTex:

Apocalypto:

I assume there was no 24-hour news network back in those days and most folks depended on the 3 big networks to deliver the (non-opinionated) nightly news which most Americans watched.

The hearings were televised… or so l have been told…

They were. And they got a ton of viewers.

Here are four hours from YouTube:

BlueTex · 2019-11-06T00:44:07.406Z

madasheck:

They were. And they got a ton of viewers.

It’s possible I watched some of them… from my high chair

gooddad409 · 2019-11-06T00:49:46.864Z

Apocalypto:

This is trump’s appointed ambassador who also happens to be a major donor to his election campaign.

Looks like Sondland got some excellent advice, and followed it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/05/us/politics/impeachment-trump.amp.html#click=https://t.co/kRUfHMUOKc

Looks like he lied the 1st time or 2nd. Either way his credibility is blown.

biggestal99 · 2019-11-06T00:52:28.093Z

altair1013:

Who cares? The decision to impeach was made 3 years ago. With or without evidence. It’s a done deal. To act as if the dems care about evidence is a joke. They will impeach, the senate will acquit and Trump will be running against Liz or Joe. Just get the silliness over with and move on

There was no rush for impeachment UNTIL this Ukraine quid pro quo came up.

Now there is some impeachment meat on this bone.

Allan

GrandWazoo · 2019-11-06T01:15:24.270Z

madasheck:

I think that’s about when it started, though I can’t recall for sure. But there was definitely no 24-hour news back in the Nixon era.

CNN started in 1980. But it didn’t take off until the war in 1991.

madasheck · 2019-11-06T01:19:16.230Z

GrandWazoo:

madasheck:

I think that’s about when it started, though I can’t recall for sure. But there was definitely no 24-hour news back in the Nixon era.

CNN started in 1980. But it didn’t take off until the war in 1991.

For what it’s worth, Google also says it started with the birth of CNN. Then it exploded from there.

NuffSaid · 2019-11-06T01:27:50.085Z

madasheck:

GrandWazoo:

madasheck:

I think that’s about when it started, though I can’t recall for sure. But there was definitely no 24-hour news back in the Nixon era.

CNN started in 1980. But it didn’t take off until the war in 1991.

For what it’s worth, Google also says it started with the birth of CNN. Then it exploded from there.

The girl in the well in Texas was one of the seeds.

BlueTex · 2019-11-06T01:49:35.843Z

NuffSaid:

The girl in the well in Texas was one of the seeds.

She turned out alright…

Biography – 12 May 20

Baby Jessica - Well, Injuries & Facts

Jessica Morales, also known as "Baby Jessica," became famous in 1987, when she fell down a well in her aunt's backyard at 18 months old. She remained trapped for 58 hours.

NuffSaid · 2019-11-06T01:51:23.826Z

BlueTex:

NuffSaid:

The girl in the well in Texas was one of the seeds.

She turned out alright…

Baby Jessica - Well, Injuries & Facts

I watched a special on news and they said that CNN decided to stay with the story for the whole 55 hrs and it was a ratings hit.

Zander · 2019-11-06T02:52:40.940Z

altair1013:

enki:

no, the democrats are terrible too… this is just the result of republicans picking a very poor and unvetted candidate out of pure political spite.

Who has set more records for achievement than any president in history. One happened today in fact. But if you watch CNN you wouldn’t know.

Lol. A “record of achievement” sounds like something you give a 3rd grader for scoring 70% or higher on a multiplication table. What does that even mean?

Axxowiz · 2019-11-06T08:12:53.131Z

I think it will come down to who the left puts up against the President. Biden or Buttigieg might beat him it’s very possible. Warren or Bernie could a tougher sell and no one knows how people will vote when faced with that decision.

Those two are not center to the left Obama candidates full of Charisma, in contrast the NYT’s and WaPo yesterday both are attacking Warrens plans on the healthcare industry saying it will severely hurt the economy, one of the writers was a former Obama advisor.

In retrospect Warren and Sanders are just a divisive as Trump in different ways and I am not sure how the battleground states would vote if either two are the nominee.