Sondland, Trump's appointee, changes testimony to say there was clear quid pro quo

Blackwolf · 2019-11-05T22:55:37.296Z

Axxowiz:

And regardless everyone is in for a huge reality check if this BS goes to the Senate it will be swiftly voted down and then you are left with a field of democrats who haven’t got no where near the airtime the candidates did in 2016 because of the media classes obsession with Trump.

Which explains in part why so many Trump supporters are desperate to see the whole enterprise come to a conclusion as quickly as possible.

The Democratic Party is inept. Should be a slam dunk bouncing this corrupt POTUS out of office, but they will find a way to botch it. But there’s nothing for it - so long as Americans continue to elect corruption and greed on both sides, or worse refuse to vote at all, then as a nation we deserve every Donald that comes along to exploit us.

DOLOOP · 2019-11-05T23:04:03.829Z

Blackwolf:

Axxowiz:

And regardless everyone is in for a huge reality check if this BS goes to the Senate it will be swiftly voted down and then you are left with a field of democrats who haven’t got no where near the airtime the candidates did in 2016 because of the media classes obsession with Trump.

Which explains in part why so many Trump supporters are desperate to see the whole enterprise come to a conclusion as quickly as possible.

The Democratic Party is inept. Should be a slam dunk bouncing this corrupt POTUS out of office, but they will find a way to botch it. But there’s nothing for it - so long as Americans continue to elect corruption and greed on both sides, or worse refuse to vote at all, then as a nation we deserve every Donald that comes along to exploit us.

He gets a strong head start with a guaranteed 35-40% of the vote.

Axxowiz · 2019-11-05T23:41:31.332Z

Yes 3 years of media spewing conspiracies and a long investigation about pee pee tapes. Prague, and Trump being a super kgb agent will do that to a person.

Axxowiz · 2019-11-05T23:43:55.926Z

I care as much as the left would if the situation was reversed. One can sit around and polish their halos while saying they wouldn’t vote for so and so candidate but at the end of the day the majority of people know and have known who they are voting for.

ImRightYoureWrong · 2019-11-05T23:44:31.616Z

So you don’t care because “democrats”

Axxowiz · 2019-11-05T23:51:49.506Z

Apocalypto:

apathy

Three years of non stop talking about and reading about the same thing of any topic gets boring. But for those who don’t mind to peek ahead on what’s in store I put a spoiler in at the bottom.

“Spoiler alert” Season 3 episode 21 of “The Impeachment Saga. House impeaches Trump, Senate overwhelming doesn’t.

madasheck · 2019-11-05T23:53:19.660Z

Axxowiz:

I care as much as the left would if the situation was reversed. One can sit around and polish their halos while saying they wouldn’t vote for so and so candidate but at the end of the day the majority of people know and have known who they are voting for.

I wouldn’t be so sure of that. There are people in this country who do have ethics in who they vote for. Just because they voted for Trump once doesn’t mean they’ll do it again.

Apocalypto · 2019-11-05T23:56:10.800Z

Axxowiz:

Apocalypto:

apathy

Three years of non stop talking about and reading about the same thing of any topic gets boring. But for those who don’t mind to peek ahead on what’s in store I put a spoiler in at the bottom.

“Spoiler alert” Season 3 episode 21 of “The Impeachment Saga. House impeaches Trump, Senate overwhelming doesn’t.

Do you admit that trump has committed impeachable offenses?

madasheck · 2019-11-05T23:59:04.678Z

Blackwolf:

madasheck:

It took until late in the game for some Republicans to change their minds about Nixon. It could still happen here, but the difference between then and now in my recollections is the absolute determination to stay in power now no matter what especially by Republicans.

Nixon was a bit before my time, can’t speak to that in terms of comparing the two. I will say I’d be happily surprised to see Republicans change their minds in the present day.

Things were definitely different and I would love to hear from anyone who lived through Watergate to say what they remember. The country was different. That’s what’s so weird about now.

Kelby · 2019-11-06T00:05:41.031Z

madasheck:

Blackwolf:

madasheck:

It took until late in the game for some Republicans to change their minds about Nixon. It could still happen here, but the difference between then and now in my recollections is the absolute determination to stay in power now no matter what especially by Republicans.

Nixon was a bit before my time, can’t speak to that in terms of comparing the two. I will say I’d be happily surprised to see Republicans change their minds in the present day.

Things were definitely different and I would love to hear from anyone who lived through Watergate to say what they remember. The country was different. That’s what’s so weird about now.

I barely remember it myself, but I know there were many fewer sources of “information”…between the nightly news and newspapers, which basically all said about the same thing about current events. People weren’t inculcated by a “news” network into believing everything Nixon had to say in his defense, unlike these days with Trump.

WorldWatcher · 2019-11-06T00:11:13.044Z

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Got a text from Ambassador Sondland about 15 minutes ago.

Said: "Well there goes a million dollar bribe down the ■■■■■■■■■
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.WW, PHS

NuffSaid · 2019-11-06T00:13:22.755Z

madasheck:

Blackwolf:

madasheck:

It took until late in the game for some Republicans to change their minds about Nixon. It could still happen here, but the difference between then and now in my recollections is the absolute determination to stay in power now no matter what especially by Republicans.

Nixon was a bit before my time, can’t speak to that in terms of comparing the two. I will say I’d be happily surprised to see Republicans change their minds in the present day.

Things were definitely different and I would love to hear from anyone who lived through Watergate to say what they remember. The country was different. That’s what’s so weird about now.

It was a time when eventually country was greater than party. Nowadays it’s Trump is greater than country.

Apocalypto · 2019-11-06T00:13:57.956Z

Kelby:

madasheck:

Blackwolf:

madasheck:

It took until late in the game for some Republicans to change their minds about Nixon. It could still happen here, but the difference between then and now in my recollections is the absolute determination to stay in power now no matter what especially by Republicans.

Nixon was a bit before my time, can’t speak to that in terms of comparing the two. I will say I’d be happily surprised to see Republicans change their minds in the present day.

Things were definitely different and I would love to hear from anyone who lived through Watergate to say what they remember. The country was different. That’s what’s so weird about now.

I barely remember it myself, but I know there were many fewer sources of “information”…between the nightly news and newspapers, which basically all said about the same thing about current events. People weren’t inculcated by a “news” network into believing everything Nixon had to say in his defense, unlike these days with Trump.

I assume there was no 24-hour news network back in those days and most folks depended on the 3 big networks to deliver the (non-opinionated) nightly news which most Americans watched.

Kelby · 2019-11-06T00:17:36.193Z

Apocalypto:

Kelby:

madasheck:

Blackwolf:

madasheck:

It took until late in the game for some Republicans to change their minds about Nixon. It could still happen here, but the difference between then and now in my recollections is the absolute determination to stay in power now no matter what especially by Republicans.

Nixon was a bit before my time, can’t speak to that in terms of comparing the two. I will say I’d be happily surprised to see Republicans change their minds in the present day.

Things were definitely different and I would love to hear from anyone who lived through Watergate to say what they remember. The country was different. That’s what’s so weird about now.

I barely remember it myself, but I know there were many fewer sources of “information”…between the nightly news and newspapers, which basically all said about the same thing about current events. People weren’t inculcated by a “news” network into believing everything Nixon had to say in his defense, unlike these days with Trump.

I assume there was no 24-hour news network back in those days and most folks depended on the 3 big networks to deliver the nightly news which most Americans watched.

Correct. I think the around the clock coverage started with the Iranian hostage crisis, and morphed from there.

madasheck · 2019-11-06T00:33:58.923Z

Kelby:

Apocalypto:

Kelby:

madasheck:

Blackwolf:

madasheck:

It took until late in the game for some Republicans to change their minds about Nixon. It could still happen here, but the difference between then and now in my recollections is the absolute determination to stay in power now no matter what especially by Republicans.

Nixon was a bit before my time, can’t speak to that in terms of comparing the two. I will say I’d be happily surprised to see Republicans change their minds in the present day.

Things were definitely different and I would love to hear from anyone who lived through Watergate to say what they remember. The country was different. That’s what’s so weird about now.

I barely remember it myself, but I know there were many fewer sources of “information”…between the nightly news and newspapers, which basically all said about the same thing about current events. People weren’t inculcated by a “news” network into believing everything Nixon had to say in his defense, unlike these days with Trump.

I assume there was no 24-hour news network back in those days and most folks depended on the 3 big networks to deliver the nightly news which most Americans watched.

Correct. I think the around the clock coverage started with the Iranian hostage crisis, and morphed from there.

I think that’s about when it started, though I can’t recall for sure. But there was definitely no 24-hour news back in the Nixon era.

madasheck · 2019-11-06T00:37:12.221Z

BlueTex:

Apocalypto:

I assume there was no 24-hour news network back in those days and most folks depended on the 3 big networks to deliver the (non-opinionated) nightly news which most Americans watched.

The hearings were televised… or so l have been told…

They were. And they got a ton of viewers.

Here are four hours from YouTube:

BlueTex · 2019-11-06T00:44:07.406Z

madasheck:

They were. And they got a ton of viewers.

It’s possible I watched some of them… from my high chair

gooddad409 · 2019-11-06T00:49:46.864Z

Apocalypto:

This is trump’s appointed ambassador who also happens to be a major donor to his election campaign.

Looks like Sondland got some excellent advice, and followed it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/05/us/politics/impeachment-trump.amp.html#click=https://t.co/kRUfHMUOKc

Looks like he lied the 1st time or 2nd. Either way his credibility is blown.

biggestal99 · 2019-11-06T00:52:28.093Z

altair1013:

Who cares? The decision to impeach was made 3 years ago. With or without evidence. It’s a done deal. To act as if the dems care about evidence is a joke. They will impeach, the senate will acquit and Trump will be running against Liz or Joe. Just get the silliness over with and move on

There was no rush for impeachment UNTIL this Ukraine quid pro quo came up.

Now there is some impeachment meat on this bone.

Allan

GrandWazoo · 2019-11-06T01:15:24.270Z

madasheck:

I think that’s about when it started, though I can’t recall for sure. But there was definitely no 24-hour news back in the Nixon era.

CNN started in 1980. But it didn’t take off until the war in 1991.