Some comments on Zohran's grocery store proposal

I don’t mind Food Stamps for the poor as much as they need.
But the rest free stuff they get is out of control.
Help with housing if they have kids is good too but able-body poor getting so much free just because they’re poor is ridiculous.
Example:
Lift/Uber free ride. Why can’t they spend a dollar for bus?
Free wet-towelletes wipes. Let them use toilet paper.
:roll_eyes: :roll_eyes:
Just to name a few. The list is a mile long.

Picture it:
He defunds or abolishes the Police, the ‘poor’ shoppers in his Gov. Grocery stores rob the hell out of them.

Whoever thought that people can be trusted and moral without a firm control…is NUTTS.

Is he, (Zohran), going to throw away his armer body-guards/SS men or his house keys?
I doubt it.

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It is the fluff, hey and dreams that Ds were selling that got them where they are now.
They still didn’t learn the lesson.
This guy just may gather enough idiots to pull him over the finishing line.
Planty of suckers live in NY.
And even nice hard working people there fall for the Democrats.
Look at the Jewish people…voting D in spite of Ds abandonning Jews and let them be abused in their own city colleges… :roll_eyes:
Unbelivable…that one I just don’t get.

He would probably use foods thrown out and donated by the Military when they reach expiring date and refill their reserves.
99 cent stores and Dollar Tree type stores did that, I think, and even they’re going out of bussiness and closing.

:receipt: Tax Burdens on NYC Grocery Stores (Partial List)

  1. Sales Tax on Certain Food Items
    • 8.875% combined sales tax rate in NYC:

  2. Commercial Rent Tax (CRT)
    • 3.9% of base rent. Applies to businesses in Manhattan below 96th Street.

  3. Property Tax (Passed Through in Rent)
    • NYC commercial property tax rate: 10.755% of assessed value.
    (Example: A 10,000 sq ft space assessed at $2.5M = $268,875/year in property tax.)

  4. Business Income Taxes
    • NYC General Corporation Tax (GCT): 8.85% on net income.
    • NY State Corporate Franchise Tax: 6.5% on net income (for income > $5M).

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Based on the above:
Store Gross Profit (Before Taxes): $250,000
Store Net Profit (After Taxes): ~$211,625

Tax Payments (Operational + Profit-Based): $374,790

  • The gov’t already gets more than half. (64%)
  • In fact the gov’t share is more than enough to pay for TWO full-time cops for the modest little 100’ x 100’ grocery store.

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Question for New Yorkers
Does the mafia take more or less than 64%?
I mean sheesh, get rid of government and bring back the mafia, right?

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It isn’t just stupid.

It is an INSANE waste of money.

Tell me again how sanctuary and illegal immigration helps…It doesn’t. It promotes stupidity.

:rofl:

Can’t take this Morani-damnman seriously. Cheesy Commie Kook Talk. Fox News should stop giving him air time. Pathetic.

Naturalization rules needs a new clause revoking citizenship.

Who is funding this turd?

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How does that relate?

Well it shows thatthere is umm precendent for governments to target and aid key industries. (I’m not sure it is a good idea and I am gernealy opposed but, there is precendent.)

However aiding key industires is usualy done in a less Stalinist manner.

Your opening commnet are, therfore, correct.

Examples of publicly owned/supported grocery stores:
Erie, Kansas: The town purchased Stub’s Market when it was at risk of closing, ensuring residents had a local grocery store.
St. Paul, Kansas: The St. Paul Market is municipally owned and even manages to generate a small profit.
Atlanta, Georgia: The city is planning to open two publicly run grocery stores to address food access issues.
Madison, Wisconsin: A city-owned grocery store is opening in a food desert.
Chicago, Illinois: Chicago is exploring the possibility of opening a city-run market.
It’s important to note:
Large, urban areas have been hesitant to embrace public ownership of grocery stores due to concerns about operational challenges and potential financial risks.
The success of municipally owned stores can vary, with some struggling to remain profitable while others find ways to serve their communities effectively.
The concept of public ownership is gaining more attention as a potential solution to food access problems in underserved areas

Can’t see your image but I agree, who is backing him, Obama?

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Washington, DC, (Eastern Market)
and
Philadelphia, PA, (Reading Terminal Market)

Each own big old buildings where they rent small spaces only to vendors creating a supermarekt/food-market atmosphere.

I am not sure I think those are very things for govnerment to be doing, but they DO counter-act food deserts, and with significatnly less Stalinist type interventionism.

I’d post some pics but . . . well you’ll have to settle for links

Food deserts are a natural part of the social ecosystem of a law enforcement and public safety desert.

Yes, but they did not used to be.

I frst became familar with the term in the early/mid 90s.
It has a couple of neighborhoods where you cannot reasnobly walk to a supermarket with a personal shopping cart, or wagon and probably NOWHERE in the city can you choose among two.

Given the prevelance of Instacart, and Ubereats, and Walmart delivery, the problem is getting solved pretty quickly (at long last) by the free market.

If they were serious about helping Americans, they wouldn’t be letting in millions of people from the Third World that has to be taken care of too.

I would much rather see my tax dollars go to help struggling Americans than people who cross the border illegally looking for handouts and then plop out a kid for their a citizen.

To answer the op you might be able to start a drive to get people to donate to build a grocery stores for the poor with cheaper. Bill Gates is going to donate most of his 200 billion estate to Africa he said. How many grocery stores would that have stocked in the U.S. not exactly trickling down but out of the country.

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So we can’t trust you to be moral without firm control?

You forgot one thing.

A government that can borrow at will is able to cover endless losses at their grocery stores, thus driving other private sector competitors out of business via predatory pricing.

Correct.
Yes.
Honor system is very seldom harmless or without bad consequences.

If you don’t believe that, which I suspect since you asked me that question, you’ll be scamed and very soon.

Trust but verify is a must. PLUS dealing with people on line, never trust blindly on anything.

Blind fate into anyone or anything can be fatal too.

When you take a mortgage they have you sign a stack of promissory papers.
They trust you that you’re a moral hardworking honorable person, because they turned you inside out and even looked at your first born, yet they don’t believe you’ll repay the money, (as a moral person does), so they never use only a handshake to finalize the deal.
:thinking:
I am sure you agree with all this.

If these are supposed to be located in food deserts, what competitors are we talking about?