Solar panels and Homelessness in Cal

[vaard]

@markdido

@lulubee

There are millions and millions of already built
homes in CA that one could buy. No one is forcing anyone to buy new construction.

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And please don’t give me any bs about the homeless problem when Trump’s administration is dismantling HUD.I’m in NY and people all over are putting solar in. A lot of people want solar. Funny that.

At some point, utility companies will start losing money because of solar, and they will raise their rates, screwing those without solar.

Similar to how government is considering taxing vehicles by the mile now, instead of by the gallon because they’ve been telling us to conserve and drive more fuel efficient cars.

So a lower demand will raise prices?

Sure that makes since…

[Samm]

@Cratic3947

@GrandWazoo

@Cratic3947

England is doing great work with tidal surge hydro-electricity. We should too. Makes a lot more sense and is not near as ugly as wind or solar.

That is interesting that you mentioned that. When I was an engineering student back in the early seventies the materials engineering department was doing experiments on water related energy production. I will have to read up on what the Brits are doing now.

Nice Youtube vid on it

Tidal Energy Taking Hold In England - YouTube

How do fish get through that without being minced?

[Samm]

@moonshine

I have solar panels. Last month I used $3 of electricity

How much did you spend on lattes?

[Drawz]

@Cratic3947

If you had the biggest homelessness problem in the country would you make building homes cheaper or more expensive?

In Cal they are choosing to make home more expensive by requiring solar panels on all new homes. Using the govt to force people to buy things is great for the rich who buy such laws. But no so much for the average person buying a house. Next they will require solar panels be installed any time the home changes hands. I fail to see how adding 10K to the cost of building homes helps the homeless problem or anything by that matter.

Solar panels are not even that green when you take into account the energy needed to make them and the toxic wastes it produces,

"several incidents have linked the manufacture of these shining symbols of environmental virtue to a trail of chemical pollution. And it turns out that the time it takes to compensate for the energy used and the greenhouse gases emitted in photovoltaic panel production "

https://spectrum.ieee.org/green-tech/solar/solar-energy-isnt-always-as-green-as-you-think

Yeah, just think of all the people living in tents under the overpass who would buy houses if it weren’t for those darn solar panels.

[Drawz]

@Cratic3947

. I fail to see how adding 10K to the cost of building homes helps the homeless problem

It doesn’t, it isn’t meant to, why are you trying to attach homelessness to this topic?

[party-free]

Because Venezuela.

[CanadianJudo]

How many Homeless people are buying 500,000 + houses currently?

[Drawz]

@CanadianJudo

How many Homeless people are buying 500,000 + houses currently?

None, now that they’ve tacked on that homeless hating solar panel requirement.

[Drawz]

I’m not allowed to smoke on CTA property, I fail to see how that helps the homeless problem.

[Gaius]

@Cratic3947

If you had the biggest homelessness problem in the country would you make building homes cheaper or more expensive?

I am a good con and my kneejerk reaction is to support the free market in housing.

That said, I have done a lot of work with the true low bottom homeless and reduced housing prices, which the free market would bring, are not on the top 20 list of things they need.

They are SOOO far away from that.

If you want to do something have your church let them receive mail there so they can get an ID.

Of course, your church will become a hangout for druggies and whores (no I am not kidding) so perhaps your church will want to arrange mail pick up off site.

[WildRose]

And by driving up the cost of the average new home you reduce the number of people who can vacate their older homes and buy them.

[CanadianJudo]

Homeless people are not in the market to buy houses.

[WildRose]

Some of them would be if housing prices were not so insane there. There are a lot of people making decent money that can’t even afford a hovel.

I see homes there on various HGTV shows that would not bring 30k in most places selling in the 300’s and they aren’t even livable.

[CanadianJudo]

You can’t really do much about housing prices.

now if you want to talk about homeless we should talk about low income housing and stop the gentrification of low income areas.

[CanadianJudo]

California is pushing low income out on purpose.

[WildRose]

Exactly. Admitting it wasn’t all that hard was it?

[WildRose]

@CanadianJudo

You can’t really do much about housing prices.

now if you want to talk about homeless we should talk about low income housing and stop the gentrification of low income areas.

These two statements cannot both be true.

[WildRose]

@WildRose

@CanadianJudo

You can’t really do much about housing prices.

now if you want to talk about homeless we should talk about low income housing and stop the gentrification of low income areas.

These two statements cannot both be true.

[quote=“CanadianJudo, post:35, topic:676, full:true”]
California is pushing low income out on purpose.
[/quote]Think… .

[Tilly_jow]

@Cratic3947

@Cratic3947

England is doing great work with tidal surge hydro-electricity. We should too. Makes a lot more sense and is not near as ugly as wind or solar.

Nice Youtube vid on it

Tidal Energy Taking Hold In England - YouTube

You know very little what you talk about if you try compare Wales to Calif. The tidal features are really different.

[WildRose]

The same technology will work anywhere tides rise and fall more than a foot or so.

You just build dams to produce tidal pools and then use the force of gravity as the water flows back out slowly to generate power.

Between the tides and normal wave action along the west coast it’s a vast untapped resource.