Socialist Gov. Murphy turns NJ citizens into tax slaves to benefit illegal entrants

[Samm]

@mobulis

@Samm

Sure it does. You are just too we’d to your opinion to accept it.

So your an anarchist then.

I prefer the term independent libertarian.

[Samm]

@Samson_Corwell

And if I think IP is illegitimate?

If then, sue.

[mobulis]

@Samm

I prefer the term independent libertarian.

The knockdown for your me a slave debate is that I have no problem with paying taxes, somebody has to keep leeches like you afloat.

[Samm]

@WuWei

Not stuff Samson, labor. They didn’t buy slaves to collect them.

Correct. And since labor is convertable to money, when the government demands that you surrender a portion of your money as tribute to them, they in effect are exploiting your labor. i.e. slavery.

[Samm]

@mobulis

@Samm

I prefer the term independent libertarian.

The knockdown for your me a slave debate is that I have no problem with paying taxes, somebody has to keep leeches like you afloat.

That simply makes you a willing slave, you know, like the freed slaves after the civil war who stayed on the plantation and continued to work for the “master.”

[mobulis]

@Samm

That simply makes you a willing slave, you know, like the freed slaves after the civil war who stayed on the plantation and continued to work for the “master.”

Can’t be a willing slave.

[Samm]

@mobulis

@Samm

That simply makes you a willing slave, you know, like the freed slaves after the civil war who stayed on the plantation and continued to work for the “master.”

Can’t be a willing slave.

Of course you can. Haven’t you ever heard of “domestic slavery”?

And of course, there were (are?) indentured slaves, who actually signed up for it.

[WuWei]

Money is the fruit of labor in today’s world. Where does abuse of sharecroppers fit in?

[johnwk2]

@Bomberfox

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@Bomberfox

@Samm

@Samson_Corwell

@Samm

@Samson_Corwell

Let’s imagine a world where no one owns anything, either individually or jointly. You make something from wood, but it remains unowned. Are you a slave? If not, then there is no reason to think taxation is slavery. If you say you are a slave in my scenario, then your capacity for reasoning is broken.

If you are being forced by an entity that holds power over you, to share the fruits of your labor with them against your will, you are enslaved to them. That is perfectly logical.

By the way, “what if” arguments are pretty lame.

It simply isn’t one of slavery’s characteristics.

By the conventional “plantation” definition of slavery, you are right.

Get out of your box.

Slavery has to do with owning another person as property. If you are not property of another, you are not a slave.

That’s one definition. Being forever unwillingly beholden to someone who has power over you is another.

Which is not the case for taxation. Marxists call wage labor slavery or wage slaves, your definition is just as much a stretch.

For a person who portrays himself as being the fountain of all knowledge when it comes to the characteristics of slavery, it is rather telling that you shy away from addressing a post to you titled Direct vs indirect taxation and slavery

JWK

The unavoidable truth is, our Fifth Column democrat political leaders’ plan for “free” college tuition will be paid for by confiscating and redistributing the paychecks of millions of college graduates who worked for and paid their own way through college and are now trying to finance their own economic needs.

[mobulis]

@Samm

Of course you can. Haven’t you ever heard of “domestic slavery”?

And of course, there were (are?) indentured slaves, who actually signed up for it.

Indentured slaves were forced to pay a debt.

[WuWei]

Mmmmmmm.

10 c

[Samm]

@WuWei

Money is the fruit of labor in today’s world. Where does abuse of sharecroppers fit in?

Do we still have sharecroppers?

[Samm]

@mobulis

@Samm

Of course you can. Haven’t you ever heard of “domestic slavery”?

And of course, there were (are?) indentured slaves, who actually signed up for it.

Indentured slaves were forced to pay a debt.

That they volunteered to take on. Like you, they were willing slaves.

[mobulis]

@Samm

@mobulis

@Samm

Of course you can. Haven’t you ever heard of “domestic slavery”?

And of course, there were (are?) indentured slaves, who actually signed up for it.

Indentured slaves were forced to pay a debt.

That they volunteered to take on. Like you, they were willing slaves.

Ah nope they were forced.

[johnwk2]

@mobulis

@Samm

@mobulis

@Samm

Of course you can. Haven’t you ever heard of “domestic slavery”?

And of course, there were (are?) indentured slaves, who actually signed up for it.

Indentured slaves were forced to pay a debt.

That they volunteered to take on. Like you, they were willing slaves.

Ah nope they were forced.

Yup. You are right. The citizens of NJ are being forced to finance the economic needs of illegal entrants. And in that respect they have been made into tax slaves beholden to illegal entrants and their children.

JWK

[mobulis]

@johnwk2

Yup. You are right. The citizens of NJ are being forced to finance the economic needs of illegal entrants. And in that respect they have been made into tax slaves beholden to illegal entrants and their children.

JWK

Prove it, lets see the money trail.

[SaysWho]

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@mobulis

@Samm

@mobulis

@Samm

Of course you can. Haven’t you ever heard of “domestic slavery”?

And of course, there were (are?) indentured slaves, who actually signed up for it.

Indentured slaves were forced to pay a debt.

That they volunteered to take on. Like you, they were willing slaves.

Ah nope they were forced.

No they were not, except by their circumstances. They chose to agree to serve an indenture as a means out of their circumstances. They were not sold into slavery, they either volunteered or were volunteered by parents or guardians.

[mobulis]

@Samm

No they were not, except by their circumstances. They chose to agree to serve an indenture as a means out of their circumstances. They were not sold into slavery, they either volunteered or were volunteered by parents or guardians.

Sorry not willing.

[Samson_Corwell]

@Samm

@mobulis

@Samm

Of course you can. Haven’t you ever heard of “domestic slavery”?

And of course, there were (are?) indentured slaves, who actually signed up for it.

Indentured slaves were forced to pay a debt.

That they volunteered to take on. Like you, they were willing slaves.

Can they change their mind? If not, then they are being forced.