So, you really want a discussion on racism?

Axxowiz · 2020-07-15T19:02:20.566Z

That’s because the rest of the world doesn’t practice this experiment. Countries like Japan, China, and India look at what’s happening in western countries and say “No Thanks”.

WuWei · 2020-07-15T19:04:29.787Z

ResPrivita:

The human race is not perfected yet.

“Yet”.

WuWei · 2020-07-15T19:05:07.149Z

PurpnGold:

Culture evolves

It sure does.

ResPrivita · 2020-07-15T19:06:33.148Z

PurpnGold:

Culture evolves

And can De-Evolve as well.

“When a problem comes along, you can whip it!”

Optrader · 2020-07-15T19:08:00.356Z

ResPrivita:

Optrader:

If a person ever laughed at or told an ethnic joke, are they automatically and forever racists?

Not the point really.
Jokes are social interactions, norm setting nodes.
Racist jokes collectively support unnatural human conditions.
There was a time when cripples were the subject of jokes too.
In America we did purge ourselves for the largest part of joking about disabilities.
We are not there yet.
When a Racist Joke is felt by those listening to be just as cruel, and depraved, as those done away with cripple jokes then, we will be on our way to a better place.
Do you think the Wayans 90’s comedy skit “Handi boy” would fly today?
By the way “Handi boy” flew, in the skit.

Yes, jokes are part of the point because many of them were based on stereotypes. If we laughed at stereotypes then, when did we stop laughing at them?

Optrader · 2020-07-15T19:09:31.234Z

PurpnGold:

Optrader:

There are many things we laughed at. We laughed at Archie Bunker and George Jefferson. No way they’d be on TV today. That’s one of the things I’m getting at. I don’t know how old you are, but I do remember how things were in the 70s. Politicians today are being called racists ( or at least REPUBLICANS are) for things they did and said decades ago. If we applied the same standards to ourselves, how many of us could claim to not be racists?

Culture evolves

So why hold people accountable today for things they did in a past culture that hadn’t yet evolved?

ResPrivita · 2020-07-15T19:10:04.423Z

WuWei:

“Yet”.

It is the journey, not the destination, but we do need to be pointed in a good direction.
The word yet, signifies my hope for us all.

PurpnGold · 2020-07-15T19:10:12.052Z

Optrader:

So why hold people accountable today for things they did in a past culture that hadn’t yet evolved?

Give me an example?

Optrader · 2020-07-15T19:10:25.644Z

Axxowiz:

That’s because the rest of the world doesn’t practice this experiment. Countries like Japan, China, and India look at what’s happening in western countries and say “No Thanks”.

For example?

WuWei · 2020-07-15T19:11:14.135Z

ResPrivita:

WuWei:

“Yet”.

It is the journey, not the destination, but we do need to be pointed in a good direction.
The word yet, signifies my hope for us all.

Your idea of “perfect”, of course.

Optrader · 2020-07-15T19:14:21.254Z

PurpnGold:

Optrader:

So why hold people accountable today for things they did in a past culture that hadn’t yet evolved?

Give me an example?

The accusations against Trump or perhaps things he actually did, compared to the things Biden has said and actually did. Why are Republicans held accountable for wearing black face in the past when Democrats who did the same thing get a pass?

PurpnGold · 2020-07-15T19:18:19.171Z

Optrader:

The accusations against Trump or perhaps things he actually did, compared to the things Biden has said and actually did. Why are Republicans held accountable for wearing black face in the past when Democrats who did the same thing get a pass?

When Trump was discriminating against renting to black people, that was when that was not the accepted norm.

Why is Trump, to this day, still saying that the Central Park 5 are guilty?

People can be redeemed if they recognize their racism and stone or apologize for it. Trump hasn’t.

Which Democrat isn’t being held accountable for wearing black face? What is your definition of being held accountable?

ResPrivita · 2020-07-15T19:21:42.525Z

Optrader:

Yes, jokes are part of the point because many of them were based on stereotypes. If we laughed at stereotypes then, when did we stop laughing at them?

Not so much sterotype but more of an unnatural state.
Racism in America seems to me to be culturally taught, though we are all bred at the same school, and church.
The joke is the place where current culture meets the road of daily existence.
Sit around a fire 6 people deep at night camping, most likely neither church nor school will come up, but collective stories will.
Some scary, some fiction, some historical, some funny.
Stories, and Jokes etc…, have always shaped human behaviour.
A die of sorts, made by man for man himself.

tzu · 2020-07-15T19:22:37.130Z

So Boko Haram, Malian Fulani and Chadian/Sudanese Janjaweed “Islamists” are racist?

ResPrivita · 2020-07-15T19:25:05.259Z

WuWei:

Your idea of “perfect”, of course.

What naturally is present once nearest to the end of the Journey.
Once there, we are how we arrived.
A MuTant maybe?
Hmmm’?
Hmmmmm’?
“Invaders from Mars”, reference.

ResPrivita · 2020-07-15T19:30:18.547Z

PurpnGold:

People can be redeemed if they recognize their racism and stone or apologize for it. Trump hasn’t.

He’s about as white as whitey can get.
Trump is just being himself, an American product, good, and bad.
His vigor does not match his age; we forget he’s an older dude!
Trump himself was born into a very racist era in American history.

WuWei · 2020-07-15T19:33:10.024Z

ResPrivita:

PurpnGold:

People can be redeemed if they recognize their racism and stone or apologize for it. Trump hasn’t.

He’s about as white as whitey can get.
Trump is just being himself, an American product, good, and bad.
His vigor does not match his age; we forget he’s an older dude!
Trump himself was born into a very racist era in American history.

Joe Biden

Axxowiz · 2020-07-15T19:45:50.888Z

Well just went over checked the news on the mobile and this was the number one story.

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I highly doubt any country outside of the west following western news would want to deal with this daily madness.

ResPrivita · 2020-07-15T19:46:44.811Z

On the issue of who is more racist Trump or Biden?
Might I suggest a bag over each of their heads, and a bat in their hands, close the door wait, and the biggest racist will emerge victorious!
Biden is a sickness, Trump just a bit sick.
But both with lot’s of baggage, Biden uses Racism, and foments it though.

Ben_Natuf · 2020-07-15T22:11:10.926Z

tzu:

That there clearly is a working definition of racism, standard to Europe and North America, and that the problem is that conservatives just reject it.

patently false. What we reject are many of the lefts claims of racism. And the outright lie that systemic racism exists today in the US. Systemic racism existed in the days of Jim Crowe, it existed in the days of forced busing, it existed in the days of racial quota’s. Today, it does not exist. All racist policies, laws and regulations have been purged from the system. Are there still racist people? Yep, sure are, Black and White. That’s not gonna change, get over it.

I would no more attempt to convince some backwoods redneck piece of ■■■■ that his confederate flag was a racist symbol that people he does not know and cares nothing for may be offended by than I would try to convince some Urban thugged out equally piece of ■■■■ that his sporting of Malcom X was an equally racist symbol that might offend people he does not know, cares nothing for and likely would like to offend anyway.