My favorites are the Jehovah’s witnesses who believe that there are 144,000 spots. Are they all full, or is there rolling admissions?
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Can a person even comprehend the difference between 6 and 60 mil. I mean that’s not like between 6 and 60 people. That’s 60 million
That’s what you are arguing here.
Hell there’s no exact accounting of deaths from WWII either, they are all estimates but for some reason you want to argue that stalin didn’t really kill 40 million people based on the fact they are “estimates” you seem to be uncomfortable with.
The worth of the estimate is in the source, reject the sources if you like but you aren’t changing history or reality.
Yes that’s what i am arguing here and now you are taking my position as if it were your own this whole time
You said that Stalin killed more Russian than killed in ww 2. I said we have no way of knowing that for sure. Now you are agreeing with me by arguing with me
so now its 40 mil? You do realize 6-60 mil is an incredibly large range to be getting even an average of estimates. The 6 mil referring to the holocaust is a result of an average of estimates, but your acting like thats a result of estimates from 100 to 6 mil.
Oh my, the OP is amazing. Haha
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I’m giving you the numbers based on what is known, accept them or reject them, your choice.
Right numbers not number. See the difference a number is the unequivocal 40 mil you threw out. Numbers at the various wide ranging estimates
The number killed during the war is a number based on estimates.
The number killed after the war is a number based on estimates.
Accept them or don’t, I don’t care.
The germans kept very good records of the numbers they killed in the camps. It’s how they were hung at Munich.
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How about a 25 year old that has never heard about Christ?
I do accept the estimates and based on estimates it is impossible to know who won the war of murdering more innocent Russians - hitler or Stalin. But the thing of it is that it doesn’t really matter all that much and the only reason why we argue about such inane things is because we truly cannot conceptualize these numbers. Just imagine the death of 6. 40 or 60 millions. Honestly my mind can’t even begin to imagine. 3500+. Were hard to imagine never mind 6 million!!
Borgia
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Ok, so if you haven’t heard the gospel then you are saved. Do I have that correct?
If that is the case, then the worst thing Christians can do is spread the gospel. Once someone hears it, then they have the choice, right? So before hearing 100% were saved. After hearing the gospel, some will reject it so some percent less than 100% will be saved.
Logically, Christians aren’t helping people’s salvation if the share the gospel.
Im aware, just letting you know your range of estimates for the deaths under soviet rule is far more wide ranging than the estimates for the holocaust.
Desperation was the wrong word. But Hitler did invade for the oil and grain of the Ukraine and the Caucasus’s. Hitler knew Germany’s weakness was oil and food, he remembered the British blockade in WW1. Hitler’s original plan was to attack south and that’s what Stalin had planed for and had troops deployed to stop. The German High Command attacked through the center to Moscow where the SU wasn’t expecting which is one reason they were so successful.
You got one out of three. That’s an improvement.
The way I understand it the innocent are not condemned to hell, that doesn’t mean they get a free ride in heaven.
If you have no concept of sin though you cannot be guilty of same.
That really makes my point. Religion was different in different commi. countries and that it survived to the fall of the SU shows it wasn’t considered primary. Of course, you couldn’t advance in the party in you were religious. Just like, historically. you couldn’t advance in some parts of American society if you were Jewish.
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Desperation is the correct word. They were desperate for oil and could not maintain a war of aggression without it.
The Blitzkrieg was entirely dependent on a constant supply of oil. Without that supply he couldn’t even maintain a defensive war in retreat.
Both Germany and Japan entered the war knowing they could only maintain an offense for 6-9 months without capturing new oil reserves, both of their strategic plans were completely reliant on doing so.
Had Japan not attacked us in 41, Hitler could have put all of his focus and resources on Africa and taken those supplies, then worked his way around the med entering central Europe from the sea.
He would have then had an actual chance to defeat Stalin by waiting another year or two before attacking.
The Russia is the largest country by land mass on the planet and the SU made it a 1/4 or 1/3 larger. To conquer that much territory with a mechanized army and airforce required tens of millions of men and billions of gallons of petroleum.
When we bombed out those oil fields and refineries repeatedly cutting off that supply it was over, they never had even adequate fuel again much less the kind of excess necessary to run such a campaign.
Once we got into the war in Africa cutting him off from the ME oil supply that was all he had left other than the trickle of extremely expensive and hard to produce synthetic oil made from German Soft coal deposits.
